@christoph-hart i understand what the user presets entail i have dug around in the files themeselves obviously its just stored parameters. but i have it figured out. and example is the main one we were working on, when it loads it is on the mix page etc. i simply want to make the default preset be starting points for everything. but the loaduserpreset seems to do that. as long as when the plugin is recalled it doesnt revert to that preset it will work