Stock Table Upgrade?

Christoph Hart

@DanH ah that looks very fringe, how is that a real problem? I never felt the urge of having a sub-pixel mouse position and while JUCE theoretically has float resolution, it's only used on macOS because the Windows API only returns the pixel position as integer.

DanH

@Christoph-Hart well accuracy, but really it's about the feel of it. We've been spoilt by much smoother resolutions in other plugins. I also find my ruler line moves in pixels as well?

Christoph Hart

Alright, I've played around with the table component a bit. There was already a function that allowed you to customize the drag behaviour to a certain extend, but I thought it would be super funny to not add any documentation to that thing whatsoever.

https://docs.hise.audio/scripting/scripting-api/scripttable/index.html#setmousehandlingproperties

This can be extended to allow pretty detailed customizations, so any input for more stuff is welcome. Here are the currently supported properties (I'll hold off with the docs for this method until we included all popular requests):

Table1.setMouseHandlingProperties({
	margin: 10, // adds a margin around the table so that points at the edges are not cut off
	fixLeftEdge: 0.5, // sets a normalized fixed y-position for the left edge
	fixRightEdge: 0.5, // sets a normalized fixed y-position for the right edge
    syncStartEnd: false, // if true, then the start and end y value will always be in sync
	endPointSize: 12, // changes the size of the points at the edges
	dragPointSize: 18, // changes the size of the draggable points
    midPointSize: 12, // changes the size of the curve node points (default = 0)
    allowSwap: true, // if true, then points can swap their position when dragged
    numSteps: 12, // this will enable a grid for snapping to the x-axis
    snapWidth: 10, // if numSteps > 0 is on, this will define the tolerance for the snapping in pixels
    useMouseWheelForCurve: false, // if true, it will use the mouse wheel for setting the curve. 
	closePath: false, // if false, it will not create a boxed and filled version of the path (like above)
});

I've also made a few minor changes (remove that nasty green outline, why???) Note that the useMouseWheelForCurve property replaces the compile time constant HISE_USE_MOUSE_WHEEL_FOR_TABLE_CURVE but it's not a breaking change because the default value for this property will be picked up by the constant.

Any ideas for more customizations are welcome now. Let's do this once right and then not think about that component for another 5 years...

Oh and it's not pushed yet, so you can't try it out yourself yet.

HISEnberg

@Christoph-Hart syncStartEnd is missing the boolean in your example!

Christoph Hart

@HISEnberg true.

DanH

@Christoph-Hart are those curve nodes in the example image?

Christoph Hart

@DanH the circle ones, yes, just like with the flex envelope. You can enable them by setting the midPointSize property to anything > 0.

DanH

@Christoph-Hart ah cool, sorry I missed that on my phone!

ustk

@Christoph-Hart is there a way to reset a curve to exactly 0.5?

DanH

@Christoph-Hart any extra dragging resolution?!

And can the ruler move more smoothly too?

HISEnberg

@Christoph-Hart My only comment is regarding beat/grid-syncing. It seems rather common that you can adjust and create a (wave)shape based on a fixed grid/timeline.

I imagine Shaper Box by Cableguys is the best example of this but there are plenty of plugins that have a similar feature.

Half of this can be done in HiseScript I am sure, but I am picturing the best system for sending the data in this scenario (multiple Tables with a menu of fixed shapes or just one table with fixed shapes to select from)?

Personally I would need to brush up on the Table API because I've always hated it (except that disgusting green box) and haven't used it in ages. Last I remember is it saves the coordinates in a huge array (presumably JSON) and recalls that?

... As I wrote this I realize I am an idiot since you already included a numSteps and snapWidth , features which should cover the basics of this. The rest about "stored shapes" can be handled on the HISE side.

David Healey

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Christoph Hart

@ustk said in Stock Table Upgrade?:

is there a way to reset a curve to exactly 0.5?

double click on the mid point node resets it to 0.5

And can the ruler move more smoothly too?

the ruler is already a float position, but the update rate might be only 30Hz, need to check.

any extra dragging resolution?!

nope.

griffinboy

@Christoph-Hart

Nice work

ustk

Next, being able to choose the spline function among 20 different... per section!

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HaizalD3

Totally agree that the stock table is really showing its age! The clunky right-click curve control and that annoying single-pixel movement resolution are definitely the biggest pain points.
I think the suggestion to introduce a "Flex Table"—just like the Flex Envelope—is the perfect path forward. It keeps the workflow consistent and, most importantly, avoids breaking backward compatibility for existing projects, which would be a nightmare.

A curve node system would make this component feel instantly modern. Great ideas everyone!

It_Used

@Christoph-Hart I searched for as long as I could, but I couldn't find how to reset the points, their position, and/or the tension between them. It would be nice to be able to set a modifier key if this is not the case.

Oli Ullmann

@It_Used
I am not in front of my computer but there is a .reset() function.

It_Used

@Oli-Ullmann Thanks

ustk

@Christoph-Hart The tables really, really need an update

All value currently set above 85% are shifting up at each mouse click !

And setting the value is so rough, often jumping by 2% with no possibilities to get more precision.

This is making me think

What about the possibility of opening all current point in an array/table like popup so we can edit the point numerically?
Or expand the area for more precision?
would there be possible to show the values with a custom range (even if 0-1 behind the scene) so we would be able for instance to set frequencies or gains precisely?

A table for the real guys

Of course all of that can be made from the UI, but when you design a network, you might not have/need a connection. And I can't imagine making a connection, dropping the table because you make another design choice, put back a table because, well, wasn't so bad... In short network design is no time for creating a UI connection + script just for testing things...

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