@Christoph-Hart Yes, works great! Is it similarly easy to add it to the built-in modules?
I feel like the more we can do with built-in modules, the smoother the on-ramp to learning HISE.
Feels like having to dive straight into scriptnode for this might prove too steep of a learning curve for someone getting started, like me! 
@Orvillain Clever idea, but pretty hacky though (no offence! )
I'm gonna start nagging @Christoph-Hart to add it directly to the WG.
In the meantime, I'm gonna spelunk into the source code to see if I can see any way forward.
Is it possible to have the Waveform Generator oscillators free-running, or to randomize the phase on note-on?
@Lindon asked here in 2021, but got no response: https://forum.hise.audio/topic/4752/waveform-generator-free-running
@Zerofox97 asked here in 2016, @Christoph-Hart responded but it doesn't look like it was implemented: https://forum.hise.audio/topic/43/would-it-be-easy-to-add-in-a-way-to-control-the-phase-of-synth-oscillators
Looking to make thick synth pads and the waveform re-triggering kills it.
I'm guessing Windows doesn't have a Universal Binary system like Mac does?
I'm interested in this too.
@modularsamples said in Recreating Roland Alpha Juno PWM Saw oscillator - ideas?:
@griffinboy Good point!
What about this? it should be pretty close to how the AJ works (I think) as it's splitting the signal and "chopping" the output of the saw. The PWM still happens on the pulse..
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Yeah, I read a lot of that thread. Pity about the flame war! 
The snippet sounds awesome! Great starting point for me to learn how all this stuff works.
Thanks! 
@Orvillain said in Recreating Roland Alpha Juno PWM Saw oscillator - ideas?:
In the context of sawtooth shapes, PWM is really just a per-voice phase reset (IE: Hey.... we've hit our threshold... reset the saw to zero....) - that's how most people do it anyway, iirc. So I actually don't think it would be too hard to add that to the existing waveform generator. If I knew the code, I'd have a go myself!!
I don't think this is how the PWM Saw is created in the AJ2. From the front panel diagrams, and some initial scope readings, it looks more like a regular (non-resetting) saw wave with chunks chopped out of it during each cycle. The chunks chopped out are dictated by a variable pulse-width wave.
This could mean it's even simpler to implement in the Waveform Generator. We would set a duty cycle between 0-100% in the UI and during each generation of the saw (or other shape) wave the code would say shall we output the waveform or silence, based on the duty cycle high/low state.
Does that make sense?
EDIT: this is very simplified, of course, and only takes into account one pulse, but multiplying up to 2/4/8/etc pluses doesn't sound like it would be that much more work.
Also, I have no idea if I'm using any of the correct terminology here. Just words that sound about right! 
@Orvillain said in Recreating Roland Alpha Juno PWM Saw oscillator - ideas?:
kindly ask @Christoph-Hart to implement PWM for the sawtooth shapes in the waveform generator
Oof! That would be nice!
I was very pleasantly surprised to find PWM on all the oscillator waveforms in the Synthstrom Deluge synth. Really opens up a lot of sound design stuff.
@modularsamples said in Recreating Roland Alpha Juno PWM Saw oscillator - ideas?:
Here's a bargain basement approach using the file player in signal-in mode. Just drop a single cycle waveform into the file player and boom, something that sounds like pwm. Watch out when changing waveforms though, the file player really doesn't like this when using single cycle waveforms and will make loud, unpleasant noises.
Crikey! That's a bit too brute force for me!
Love the simplicity though! 
@griffinboy said in Recreating Roland Alpha Juno PWM Saw oscillator - ideas?:
So, the easiest way to achieve it in a 'pretend' hacky manner, would be to record the original waveform output from the synth while sweeping the PWM, and extract frames to create a wavetable. You could then use the built in Hise wavetable synthesiser module to play it back.
Wavetable was my first thought too. Mainly so I can stick with built-in modules for now but also because I'm not looking for 100% accuracy or an emulation that interacts with other components of the system.
I'll be doing a lot of processing after the oscillator section, so any 'flaws' of the wavetable approach will likely be very lost in the mix.
So now I just have to dig into the Wavetable Synthesizer module.
Any tips on the fastest/easiest way to take a power-of-2 WAV and convert it for use in the WT module? I'll read the docs, of course, but if there's a standard 'quick' conversion method I'll use it!
Any tips on how I would recreate the Roland Alpha Juno PWM Saw oscillator in HISE?
FWIW I've only used built-in modules so far but I'm happy to get into more complex stuff for this.
@d-healey said in Coding in VS Code and HISE:
When you click compile in HISE (or press F5), HISE will save the contents of the code editor to the file.
Does this mean if a file is open in the HISE editor and you hit Compile, it will save over any changes you've made to the same file in an external editor?
@felix-martinz I'd get a very basic RNBO patch working in a HISE plugin first.
Just to make sure all the transfer steps are working properly.
Then slowly add features to see where it breaks.
EDIT: I'm watching this topic because I'm about to embark on RNBO > HISE too.
@VirtualVirgin The editor drives me batty. It functions so differently to what I'm used to that I'm constantly making subtle typos that fail to compile.
I'm looking into coding in my familiar code editor and hopping back to HISE just to hit F5. Thinking about it, there might even be a way to automate it. Set up a file watcher and every time a script file int he HISE project is saved, tell HISE to compile. 
@Chazrox Wouldn't you have to call SomeFunctions.HelperFunction() outside the namespace?
@pcs800 Index 0 sets it to Goniometer, which does indeed crash.
If you want Oscilloscope or Spectral Analyser, set the index to 1 or 2, respectively.
EDIT: I see you already tried index 2 and got no display. It's working for me here on develop 9ed54807 (Aug 9th 2025)
https://docs.hise.dev/ui-components/floating-tiles/plugin/audioanalyser.html
@griffinboy Gotcha. I do that but with free products. I have 'Plus' versions of a couple of my free products and a decent amount of people upgrade.
In my situation, I made the free products first and so many people asked for more features that I made the 'Plus' versions to satisfy that need.
You have to weigh the balance between the two approaches. Getting X number of folks in through heavily discounted product and possibly converting more of them to a higher value product, versus getting many more folks in through a free product and probably converting a lower percentage.
Only you can decide which is best, based on your products, your pricing, your market, and your customer list.
