I made a really good sounding JUNO-6 emulation for free, shared it in the KVR forum - this is what happened

[griffinboy]

@Morphoice

Sorry to hear that!
Yeah I understand that experience. Audio plugins come under horrible fire no matter what they are. I'm not sure of the full reasons myself. I sometimes get into debates to counteract this kind of "all negatives no positives feedback" whenever I see it online.

It's possible not many of these negative messages were aggressive, It might be the case that it was intended to be genuine feedback. But I've not seen the messages so I can't really speak to that.

You probably don't need to be told, but that download count is great, keep it up.

[Lindon]

@Morphoice kvrAudio is FULL of trolls, ignore it and keep going...VI Control is just as full, only there its the orchestral bias crowd... keep doing your thing...

[Morphoice]

I feel the need to point out once again, what a welcoming, helpful, generous and lovely community the HISE forum is. Kudos to you all. Y'all taught me how to make those plugins. Not AI.

[Christoph Hart]

KVR is the 4chan of music forums, don‘t bother…

[CassD]

7000 is wild! Have you seen any sales from the traffic?

Aprehensive to release my first product due to these reasons. It’s not like devs don’t have backend costs too… Apple dev certificate, hosting etc.

Meta ads are not working for me so I’m going to try this option.

Hope you get some friendly feedback. People are making music with your tools and that’s awesome.

[ustk]

@CassD said in I made a really good sounding JUNO-6 emulation for free, shared it in the KVR forum - this is what happened:

It’s not like devs don’t have backend costs too… Apple dev certificate, hosting etc.

For a year now, I spent more on the different charges than what comes back... yes, I'm currently paying to work at a point I can barely eat...

[David Healey]

Edit: Updated from my earlier post that had some incorrect figures.

This got me thinking.

I have one free product that generally gets positive reviews, but I've been considering making it a paid product - especially since I've just completed a big upgrade for it. So I decided to run some numbers.

17,292 people downloaded the free product.
400 (2.31%) became paying customers on average (very skewed, see the bit below)
The average delay to conversion is about 84 days.
336 (84%) of converted customers bought only once.
During 2023 and 2024, the freebie benefited from YouTube exposure, Facebook ads and product marketing, around 3-5% of downloaders went on to become customers.
Based on downloaders acquired since that marketing activity stopped, the conversion rate appears closer to 0.3-0.7% (roughly 1 customer per 150-300 downloads).

So for approximately every 1000 downloads I get 5 customers. They go on to spend more than the freebie cost me (not including the initial cost to create it), so I guess the freebie stays for now. But that conversion rate is terrible.

[Sifres]

Could it be that your 1.0.6 has no more working arpeggiator? Couldnt get it to work.

KVR crowd seemed a bit annoyed that you dissed the TAL version though, good that you changed it.

[dannytaurus]

@ustk What are your HISE products? Or is this from consulting on other HISE products?

[Morphoice]

@ustk same here.

[Morphoice]

@Sifres I didn't diss Tal — I have great respect for them. All I asked was whether it sounds better, given that the Tal version is many years old and doesn't model certain things that mine does. The chorus topology is wrong, they did not model the BBD, etc.etc. It's a great synth but it's not a Juno. Same with Arturia, who are a multi-million dollar company and couldn't even get the Memorymoog filter right.
But I don't think making it sound good is what people care about. People would rather have fancy buttons and wooden panels to play around with. That makes them feel more like they own the hardware they could never afford. And that's fine. The established developers know this and deliver.

So I won't be putting effort into a good sound anymore, and I won't engage with those people who are not my customers. I'd rather spend time at the pool with my girlfriend. The plugins I made are the plugins I wanted to make, because I use them myself in my music and they sound the way I like. I enjoyed the journey of making them over the years. I don't own a CS-80 anymore, and will probably have to sell my Juno and Simmons too. So my plugins have me covered, and with them finished I'll probably move onto something else.

[dannytaurus]

@Morphoice When you're making plugins that you want to use yourself, you can never lose. No matter what the critics say.

[Morphoice]

@dannytaurus absolutely. It was important to me to get that chorus right, the competition just doesn't. Along the process I also modeled most of the 808 voices in faust from their schematics, indeed by single resistors, capacitors etc. That handclap is fire!!! And there is one other thing I want to figure out before I move on, that's the non linear algorithm of the AMS RMS16. And so far it sounds like I'm almost there. But both will probably never get out. Or maybe at some point I just dump all the DSP for free on some website before I die. Who knows ;)))

[Morphoice]

@Sifres on the arpeggiator that's not even implemented yet. there's some info on my website what has been modeled yet and what not. although the arp should be fairly simple, I want to get the sound right first, then add a few things like the initial bend the cs-80 has and some mods. then I'll do the arp. I've literally never used it on my real JUNO. I have the Tubbutec mod installed on mine, the buttons have different functions then anyways lol