Agentic coding workflows

[David Healey]

Apparently Claude Code doesn't read AGENTS.md, you need to add a CLAUDE.md too.

Claude Code's /simplify skill is useful for cleanup after making changes: https://claudefa.st/blog/guide/mechanics/simplify-batch-commands

[Bart]

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[JulesV]

Please correct me sorry if I'm wrong. But as far as I remember, when people here were talking about creating AI-powered plugins, they were referring to plugins that use AI for DSP operations, analysis, etc.

But how and why did we get to the point of writing code using AI? I find that weird.

Isn't writing code and creating plugins with AI a bad idea?

[David Healey]

@JulesV said in Agentic coding workflows:

Isn't writing code and creating plugins with AI a bad idea?

Vibe coding is a bad idea, but using AI as a tool to write code for you (which you then check properly) is a very good idea. It saves a ton of time.

[JulesV]

@David-Healey I understand, but isn't this technically vibe coding? @Christoph-Hart

Also, I think it seriously jeopardizes the future of the profession. Saying that AI can't produce good plugins while simultaneously training it to do so is, in my opinion, wrong and will pose a long-term health problem for those who make a living doing this job :)

I think AI could be used this wrongly :)) Wouldn't it be much better to focus on analytics and DSP topics, as I mentioned above?

[Christoph Hart]

But how and why did we get to the point of writing code using AI

Simple: the latest iterations of the SOTA models make AI coding on par with a reasonably well skilled developer.

[JulesV]

@Christoph-Hart said in Agentic coding workflows:

But how and why did we get to the point of writing code using AI

Simple: the latest iterations of the SOTA models make AI coding on par with a reasonably well skilled developer.

It is the begining of the end then :)

For those who think AI can't create good plugins, train your AI yourselves, and eventually this prophecy will finally come true :)

[David Healey]

@JulesV said in Agentic coding workflows:

isn't this technically vibe coding?

Vibe coding is where you prompt the AI and accept the output. When it doesn't work you give it the error message and accept the new output. You don't look at the code, you don't understand the code, and you don't care about its quality.

What we're doing it prompting the AI with a problem. We're examining and understanding its output. We ask for considered changes, or we make the changes manually (although I find I'm doing less of that). Then we test thoroughly and go back to the AI if it needs further changes. The code quality is maintained.

@JulesV said in Agentic coding workflows:

Saying that AI can't produce good plugins while simultaneously training it to do so is, in my opinion, wrong

AI can already produce good plugins, that ship has sailed. But they are not necessarily interesting plugins or widely useful. They are more specific and tailor made for individuals. Although there is no reason why you couldn't use AI to generate a saleable product - I'm sure lots of people already are.

But we are not using AI to create an entire HISE project (yet). We're using it as a tool to help our development process. It's like if you hire a developer and you tell them what you want, you don't write the code yourself, you just steer the developer in the direction you want to take the project and they do the actual grunt work.

@JulesV said in Agentic coding workflows:

Wouldn't it be much better to focus on analytics and DSP topics, as I mentioned above?

DSP and Look and Feel is probably what I will mostly use it for within my HISE projects. But I'm using it a lot for adding features I want in HISE itself, or fixing bugs. I'm sure Christoph is going to be overwhelmed with all my pull requests :) We'll need to train a Christoph AI to manage them.

[Christoph Hart]

Nobody is expecting that AI will produce interesting plugins on its own - the same as it will never produce interesting music with any artistic value ever.

It‘s the middle layer that handles the transformation from a human having an idea and vision to a plugin that is completely being revolutionized at the moment - this is where HISE sits and ignoring this paradigm shift would be suicidal for a framework like HISE which is why I‘m pulling 14 hour days since about 3-4 weeks to figure out the best way going forward. The way Opus 4.6 interacts with the current toolset I‘m developing is uncanny though and goes far beyomd simple LAF stuff - it eg. oneshotted the transformation of a fairly complex user preset model to the custom automation handler then Ralphed it‘s way to find out that setting processorIds will make the control callback not fire - with proper guidance and planning, which ties back to daves distinction between vibecoding and AI assisted development.

[Bart]

@Christoph-Hart said in Agentic coding workflows:

It‘s the middle layer that handles the transformation from a human having an idea and vision to a plugin

MCP integration so awesome!

Please allow it to add modules to the module tree