@ulrik said in Optimal Midi Architecture:

So I set the TransportHandler to trigger the clock every 1/64T note (the lowest value available)
and based on that, I can make calculations for each note value for position and length etc.. using this function

Nice plugin ulrik

I'm likely aiming for a higher PPQ of 960, so not sure it's possible that way..

Chatbot stating: Running a JS loop 960 times per quarter note per sequencer lane will cause hell. And I think you're stating that 96 PPQ is the highest that can go?.

Supposedly the Hise MIDI Player has an internal PPQ resolution of 960 PPQ, handled by sample accurate C++ timing. That's what I need

The MIDI Player could work, but I don't see a way to use it without initially clogging up the plugin with 50 - 100+ MIDI Players, nor finding a way to set them to other MIDI Channels.

Info pointing toward a lot of work to get higher resolution timing without using the MIDI Player..

Stuck, but there must be a way in Hise.

@David-Healey said in Agentic coding workflows:

I can see cost being a massive restriction for using agents regularly.

Try Google's Antigravity with the Gemini 3 Flash model set to Fast.
It's near the quality of their Pro models but with significantly more free limits.

Claude Sonnet models have typically been the best I've experienced, but the gap is small now, even for Google's Gemini 3 Flash model, which people are actually preferring; just be prepared for it to once in a while randomly write 100 lines for a 5 line piece of code.

Claude's pricing is ridiculous.
I would be very hesitant to pay a subscription for any AI model when my input is training it, unless it happens to ultimately demonstrate consistent error free value.

I played with Hise for a month last year and quickly learned that my brain doesn't have the interest and time to learn everything about scripting and development needed to create the semi complex plugins I'd like to; so I tried using LLMs with moderate success..

The most immediate issue I found has already been described here - the LLMs would continue to make the same basic scripting mistakes, assuming more standard Javascript. It can be reduced to some degree by providing the agents with strict rules and contexts, but they still revert to making an unacceptable number of the same basic mistakes that you've clearly instructed them not to, even when stating specific instructions directly within the prompts.

That's where it's been most obviously unusable for me; if I'm spending half the time reiterating the same basic Hise scripting errors back to the LLM, that's too much time and tokens wasted to achieve anything substantial. It's mostly the frustration of it that kills the motivation to continue, otherwise it has great potential!

I really hope this can be overcome to make plugin development viable for people like myself, who have the interest, but not necessarily the time and programming experience to achieve what we'd like to without the help of LLM agents.

It would be great to see Hise not only survive, but to potential thrive with AI. Hise has more going for it, that if updated with effective LLM scripting capacity would likely be worth the Hise and Juce license fees for me, over other free options.

Whoever implements AI plugin development the most efficient and appealing way will pocket our money at the end of the day.

BTW you can use the 'Recompile On File Change' Hise option along with an external editors Auto Save option to seamlessly auto compile plugins/scripts at the time you change window focus from external editor to Hise.

@David-Healey

Rule #1

Dont trust anything AI

@Christoph-Hart said in Optimal Midi Architecture:

I'm living under a rock here. How wide is the DAW industry adoption of this? All of the hosts I'm using don't care at all about MIDI 2.0.

It's only just being rolled out across operating systems and will indeed take some time for DAW's to catch up, although predicting Bitwig will be all over it soon enough.

I guess for me it's always been a fantasy to have more control and resolution, particularly regarding per note automation, next level music... MPE has always been a limited workaround.

Internal synths could could make use of the upgrade

Oh look Bitwig are already in the game.... yas

Damn, the original issue isn't solved in project, I can't do another day on this lol.

@dannytaurus

@Bart Oof, I don't think the design-nerd side of my brain could accept that!

Thought that might be the case lol.. I'm a visual perfectionist too, but learning that asymmetry and contrasting elements are usually more interesting.

Your plugin looks great!.. because it has contrasting elements vertically, plus the ADSR and shape options break up the knobs.. Don't be afraid to make components different sizes and shapes :)

A GUI that i've always found appealing because of it's numerous contrasting components - Harmor - it's a visual treasure chest that's consistently fun to play with.

@dannytaurus

Thanks Danny. I'm wanting the docs as an added folder to the workspace in VS Code, so I don't have to jump out of the IDE every time to look something up. Also for searching keywords throughout the documentation. The Hise Docs search bar appears to only show functions containing the keyword.

@David-Healey

Awesome! Thanks for your input David!

Really appreciate your video tutorials also.. I would have likely never attempted plugin dev scripting otherwise, great work ;)

Hise for the WIN

@ulrik said in Optimal Midi Architecture:

So I set the TransportHandler to trigger the clock every 1/64T note (the lowest value available)
and based on that, I can make calculations for each note value for position and length etc.. using this function

Nice plugin ulrik

I'm likely aiming for a higher PPQ of 960, so not sure it's possible that way..

Chatbot stating: Running a JS loop 960 times per quarter note per sequencer lane will cause hell. And I think you're stating that 96 PPQ is the highest that can go?.

Supposedly the Hise MIDI Player has an internal PPQ resolution of 960 PPQ, handled by sample accurate C++ timing. That's what I need

The MIDI Player could work, but I don't see a way to use it without initially clogging up the plugin with 50 - 100+ MIDI Players, nor finding a way to set them to other MIDI Channels.

Info pointing toward a lot of work to get higher resolution timing without using the MIDI Player..

Stuck, but there must be a way in Hise.

@ulrik

Oh wow, thanks ulrik

I'll have a look in the morrow, my eyes are falling out right now.

I'm hitting the pillow anyway, guess this projects on hold for now. Sounds like working without the MIDI Player to achieve the objectives might be too much to take on myself atm.

Cheers doods.

@David-Healey

Rule #1

Dont trust anything AI

@Christoph-Hart said in Optimal Midi Architecture:

I'm living under a rock here. How wide is the DAW industry adoption of this? All of the hosts I'm using don't care at all about MIDI 2.0.

It's only just being rolled out across operating systems and will indeed take some time for DAW's to catch up, although predicting Bitwig will be all over it soon enough.

I guess for me it's always been a fantasy to have more control and resolution, particularly regarding per note automation, next level music... MPE has always been a limited workaround.

Internal synths could could make use of the upgrade

Oh look Bitwig are already in the game.... yas

@HISEnberg

Wow COOL!

I think the MIDI Player is whats needed also... it just wants an upgrade into the MIDI 2.0 future

DAW's do in fact purpose Sequencers and Piano Rolls effectively, but I think they're a little lacking in realm of fun easy fast inspirational music composition, so I want to fill the void.

Took a video but the files too large, next time

@Christoph-Hart

Don't know if MIDI Players can be dynamically added and removed via the final exported plugin
Don't think it handles parameter automations
Don't think they can playback and display more than one Sequence and or Track at a time
Couldn't get them to output MIDI to anything other than MIDI channel 1,
Using the MIDI Channel Setter Module would be fine, but couldn't get it working with stuck notes
MIDI Player doesn't seem to immediately update it's Sequence and Track when changing them

Would be great if a single MIDI Player could manage everything:

Sample accurate playback for MIDI events (already does) and automations (doesn't do)
MIDI 2.0 per note parameter modulation (Hise Events may already be capable??)
Manage parameter automations with sample rate accuracy and MIDI 2.0 resolution
Playback more than one Sequence and or Track together from the single MIDI Player

So basically a single MIDI Player Module that handles it all, and then you can utilize the Floating Tiles and custom Piano Roll Panels to view any of the content within the one MIDI Player Module.
So Floating Tile 1 might display Sequence 5 Track 2, while scripted Panel displays piano roll for Sequence 10 Tracks 1 2 3 4 all from the one MIDI Player.

Having the option to use a single MIDI Player would then help declutter plugins when many MIDI tracks are needed, but not necessarily wanted clogging up the module tree.

More things I'm sure

A single MIDI Player that can handle it all optimally and accurately, something like that

@David-Healey

Oh my goodness I feel so dumb,,, you know what..... I've never seen that Interface tab in the popup module for script processors, because I only ever click the open in workspace icon, or jump straight to the midi callback tabs..

You're right, they're the exact same thing!

Hise is AWESOME!

But I still don't know the answers to questions at the top of this thread..
Do you think @ulrik may know some things about midi and automation sample accurate playback and optimal data management. (without using the Midi Player Module)

@David-Healey

Ohhh, so you don't mean scripting an actual Hise Module with a pop out UI like the current MIDI Player Hise Module... You just mean a normal script processor for managing the MIDI data?

Guess the script can have an interface within the Interface Designer anyway..

@David-Healey

Please tell me more, is there an example somewhere?

Its probably beyond my capabilities, but willing to consider attempting it.