New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread

[David Healey]

@Lindon I think it works per voice, I seem to recall Christoph mentioning it somewhere.

I made a little snippet to test, let me know if this is the right idea.

HiseSnippet 1094.3oc2X0saaaCElxwrn1cqncnXXWJTrKbFxBrZ7xOqXHNINYyX0IFwosaWUPScrMQjH0nnxlwvd41SvdT5av1gRN1xMdNtdYYMSWHXdN7P9wuyeTtsVwg3Xkl3T9rgQ.w4incFJMCNX.SHIMaPbdHsEK1.Z2LQ6OLhEGC9DGmU9Vq.mREIoOuc28YALIGlHhPdkRvgWHBElIRaW+6EAAGw7gyDg4lcs5M4J4Ap.UBhmUnUIQL94r9vwL6zJPIeGKd.w4Kndv101xu6N7taVyq1F7cpswNU82lUC5wgpd96Tqasc3U2h3buC8EFktigYfXbQ2W4Ory.0OKy1fWIhEcC.6.ORGbmyDSNXfHvu8kjSLg3PaOgpVIipdBskvWLV9DJ6QoJbmXQdRyov7fj26AjJjCREyfzioc3ZQjYhFKdd.soD8f8XnuIOTxlKw42oGnvIHMqGxNGNRiCFaPkMqVcMW70pOub4dIRtQnjtJ4wJCbhrxpk+0xkJ+akceWU85MSc1MRqBB.8LUaCHzyyvJxjvtfdM2KXAIv3IhDvzr58VLVkmctyMQkroTXNIBFM9HUfuksr+9p9.xHhC+0Ka1fYXnawYjLbdQf1HrvwoAbAlHj4jJQa.wmaTQXpvB5AKQiXx1JY+Y4+JrkCUC8cwo39MteoW0pnqBOYwF2Nhvn.vlm5gpRyrWuOXNrWOfap7zL0to5e5pO28uw+lsvouyVe2ccsu+5QaVoxkxsQqGCl8LFsnahApjWwn5CqYWJLb5CunF5MUTysQjBVkQ4mDvLSW5wR0iTfbvTwK1jZYrvLLeQ62i5QUma8nEEhOl1VX3ClMFKLCLZK08u.FGUE+ioYYCS.XQ5Q+vxVxd9auiSt8+9ia3NNEYTC27okyogKgz.BXSQTuV3aFLQfn9UZI+i0aJu.C1ZqBX52klW4lp0TwENVvdjb+mDuVbwbFWSc7EDueBMkxuKA3zPh6N.9Qz1rODBHNUkXDx9sXXireA6LbbRXG7dob.gpTBA1tENEr00yFW0N1BnNfzOcvehOiT5YG6LRo2kJySIOLiRd.l6Kgz9zorwmlN180rKvxAfDzVxZd0D9iE8R3QK7kvOgavs+LMSFGohmZg6.ghyTRKqOQ3KiwqPB+zoV2Wd4GnX5Yp5s6dDdHmoMcXlDcZbvdgpDoYdUqJtXUqlt+Xt4eMkwtstz+MSS1+CuGvTM4JcIFy5ocH16I.ury3ho8XIAlKkNcfcKkTEMPIE77d8SALgreePmG6y7.g2AE+7wIRdR8Sg.fkOB9yq+BLxioQdBVRtvaw4h44u9LZFbcsYit2cu+1J+u99a2JcEtM1iPFWqdCO6qirwo2OUBdtko+WKknsric8HoewTdeYHVk6Mb9zK0UL7YKqgarrFVaYM7qVVC2bYMbqk0vsudCsMg1KwnByRMIjVsOL8yMcbNTxvn7zLBxeArDJsYF

Edit: Looks like I might have been thinking of the poly stereo effect, but that won't work with a container.

[David Healey]

Ok it works with a synth group. I was a bit lazy and used a MIDI processor but you could probably use a scripted voice start modulator if you wanted to.

HiseSnippet 1182.3oc4Xs0aiSDEdbSmER1xxtRUHdAIqU7PKZoJlF5EVg5kjlRDaZip6dgmVM09jjQ0YFy3wEpP7aCD+B3mx9O.Nisah81P2zPfsa27fUlyYNy4ym6i6njdPTjTQrpb74g.wZAp64Bc+58YbAoUCh08nsYQZPYmRZ2yCYQQfOwxpz9FBVkmmj76UasKKfI7fQjHjmI4dvS3C35QT6r82yCBZx7gi4Cxs6Za2xSJpKCjwHdJQqRBYdmx5AGvLaaNJ46XQ8IVeA0A1n159mro2IqUyo1pdaVa0Mq5uAqFz0Cp53uYsSpsoW00IV2YOetVpb0LMDgG5tR+yc6K+IQpBdFOheR.XV3PbQMmRlTuOOvuyEFmHBwh1YjopTpoZQZatOeH8Qlr6mvvdjD4MZVycUPx4Z.IqbPZ9TH8.pqmhGpGwwfm6RaIPOXWF5axCkz8Rr9CZcItAgdkArSglJbwPAVZspUejM9X4GWoR2XgmlKE1RwARMbnXokq7KUJW4WqX+5r51cr7LJRICB.0XYaBHTWkfKIhGbBndj8YrfXX3FQCPQq5clLqpW56ctMJEsDb8ggP15lx.ei0x7+K6CHYFN7eOsUCllYbKYzv8EBJM2.GqFvYXhPpSpLsADcpVFhoBWxChwNR+3.ltX.kIUKiAZOJ3EMtJQDWed9TwqQTV0qLJaRg3Cnc3Zu9iGiyMFLhVp+KvXVt4GQ2qaWvSOBfySa9hoMQbxU+GWnJ59JYbXh1WLk.DwivRoIzclE0RCm3Zo6IX3aSy14Ow5LkhCpVBe3myo7ean+8RbdpfGIExDnry.YrPmGzYba.5XQAnmwvMTAL+7RXPuKfP0O4HiJDCWpnCZ9IKmtXpRt8OlRnevagp5UmQU0KSCYhNRQuwUSetOyhpfd13Vr+V6uzoZUr7MZliz10MOYBsCxHInbkdfdnGeoGNj+CW9w+CE7SO0jmoGt8V1lmeSllJWo7vSYkHPOL8eITFrQxMu9EzYU+h2G6QTHls7EXzkOHL.1SbFDfujYMIZ.cYwA5gTyCx1XEhv9RA2Keoii.sh2qGnxC8w99riViyKNhxhaeDD.rnbUh97seBW.LEZlfozTb8GJartqOklBWaSHr86ts1Kcqt0dA2IMU+Unt3rwfD0oQ4Kjszt4KJ1QuCKWC8e32eN2W2OGgs++Ol69TDS+qh0lvVviFZdxMpWzvH6FKC6e7lA4t7PY.SYlyblYSmzbiEnoC6Xrp2.ScwfyjQtdKBu6kBu6h8CDPx7FIH6SRVa+b1Yf89f.TFfeUiD+my9QhOzSip+XESDEJiJbvtv.9wRQ9ARw12Q3kige7HSxSgwnkL0XY8psZhujiUFWlNVkjE95iQiIHklUUFl+F27suubk2a28EIGIi0bQu1Lb3L7BhzChG3h4Ud.pcg.BLiTaMmI2HccUy5zDKgexh+B+kwzwr1JioyELu0niALOk7kdoWHwjU9gITPaqH4CaVl11r11gjbIk7wKCvLxW54U7ntjfe0zJ3pSqf0lVA+5oUv0lVAWeZEbi2rflBl6DqkCRS+Ij1c1K4FdVVoetkjrNxeicrhkO

[Lindon]

@David-Healey interesting...nasty clicking in the audio output when you play more than one voice at a time...and it doesn't seperate out notes playing at the same time here...yeah its panning everything when you have more than one note playing...

[David Healey]

@Lindon said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

yeah its panning everything when you have more than one note playing...

I wonder if a voice start mod would solve that

[dannytaurus]

@David-Healey This doesn't do what I expected it to do. If you extend the release you hear the whole audio signal panning left and right.

I think the request is that once a note is triggered on the left, it plays out on the left, then the next note plays out on the right.

EDIT: Ha! Late with my reply again

[dannytaurus]

@David-Healey Here's a video of how the UVI synths implement it, and what I think @inlandempire is asking for:

https://share.cleanshot.com/ccSNXnWL

[David Healey]

@dannytaurus @Lindon Here's a version with a voice start mod instead, let me know if this is better

HiseSnippet 1163.3oc6Xs0aaaCElJNra1MqqEHXX.6goArGRG5FrV7xEDLzbw1YFqNwHJ8xdpfV53XhHQpQQkMig8aaE6Wv9oz+AajTJ1TItMMdI8FpeHw7b3QmOdtwOqdBd.jlxEHmZGNJAPNKf8GwjC2YHgxPcZhbtEtKIUBB2bQaOJgjlBgHGmJ6pE3Tcdj4yyu+1jHBK.lHBgdDmF.OfFSkSj1ayelFE0lDBGRis1ciM6DvY6vi3YJ7TAWGkPBNlbDrGQus4vnehjND47MXOXsFqF1e8f9qzvqwxAq2X40qGtFoALH.p6Etdi9MVOn9pHmazJjJ4BeIQBoHm42lGNxeH+2X4N3QzTZ+HPuvC4q7bt317nP8QTKEsyPZTXuSCToHjCt2jvVk7v1h3tzP5X4SBe21nvchE1APm4JCuJkfmmM7paAuo.IGKHMeNjtC1OPPSjSznwyMwcXpr4.hJOYCk78hb9a7Nb0FXxuKlbLzVnVL1fkVod864p9yc2nVsAYr.Ikyb4r83RXe1R2s1eTqZs+rl6YUMXvT0ocjfGEAhopVWbHdYFtDKKtOHtm6IjnLX7FUAfxQU7KNpZmzCxO2Vajy5vnx8S.1KpT.UDrTe6gcZRjDcpnPlZeIfPR0PvoIbhpQHOwTE2DROVxSTsBmKqopW3gYQDY4hHcqVgBULnTlSmdXoT4H6VwqrJqWUHdGbOpLX3zw3bSAipH00AFK5G+DbqACf.4D.NOt8StdZ9rc+mVZJ5tBdVhw6KlK.RoopQoF4dWEyRSdkmk1hQTml1cseh6PDBJH5vBge2x4+03764z7PFMky3FnrULOiIsAcg1lfLiUB5EJ7SD.Iz1BM58AETCMOxzR0vUdYCu8lwg2ezacCueGXJPo6WpdJF8owIQPK1IPjZTWwXflv.RVjbrTaP1UUCjLjynA1EGG.RA8ni.gMzm54YKoTwHXhjE27.HBHoV0Ze8lOfx.hPElfYLT3coupcpoqOGmCWWcmo66tCuq7d8v6RoSbt+qg8ULd.txmZmuPwR21Oo7L6dDqQ1+xydLMTNzRvlu9q4tMVgo+W0ZW5grWHduQNd+hB5nl47JuIjiwuA5eYgdWyFbM6vc7V7t3Sx1zDdDQnoabJY1mgEvQtIpPxO59sdaXQgbBJV5D8WMWzYnPlu6uR8uMpUUntISvbMKJyAs3AvSNq8WNRtWRprybEzqIhpKfyu6Wm3tHBfuAlyo5jMLPdCBuakCuapt7jAFNgFj8Yl0tOlbB3tKv.w4K5KyP7et5YHtefT49CEDVZBOszC1GhoGxY17yTERopeeH7qGnmzThUImHlppme+1pC4TswmnZzLirNKqRUg50BOv4+.OvOPn35HKd.OSRYG0knX0p9sS38xh8U8XAfx6LFDoeiDNyo6SxWWWuNuIiEZV7upOEJ8zqcJT5cpx2a7QLIPveZP9kf5txO1HQEaYl24WUbW8ZWOj4hQ65kXUG4SCBJ+nNmge+rZ3xypgMlUC+gY0vUlUCWcVMbsK1P8.ysxj7371eDpauVFdGNN4uIBSWG5+.n.WafD

[dannytaurus]

@David-Healey Works!

[dannytaurus]

@David-Healey And using Stereo Width on Stereo FX1 allows to control the width of the effect.

[inlandempire]

@dannytaurus @David-Healey
Yeah it seems a bit more difficult than I expected to be honest – and sorry for the confusion with midi messages kind of triggering a left/right function. That was a bit awkward. :-)

I am fully aware that if we are inside of the sampler we can decide where we want our samples to be panned and when they go out of th sampler, they are panned the way we've panned them.

In the Oberheim domain (at least on the older models – well basically on any analog synth) – each voice has it's own amp with it's own envelope – so basically the amps are panned Left/Right ...(or how you like them to panned if they have exposed individual trim pots).

Thanks for helping on this issue....it's much appreciated.

[inlandempire]

@David-Healey said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

@dannytaurus @Lindon Here's a version with a voice start mod instead, let me know if this is better

Thanks David - This was exactly what I was aiming for – and intuitionally I was right. It was really not much of scripting. But I had not figured out at this tage of my developing career :-)

[David Healey]

@inlandempire said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

But I had not figured out at this tage of my developing career

As you can gather from the thread, neither had we

[inlandempire]

@David-Healey said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

@inlandempire said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

But I had not figured out at this tage of my developing career

As you can gather from the thread, neither had we

Hahaha... Yeah, it was not something that were just shut down as a trivial newbie question
Aa a musical concept I feel it is very overlooked. People are dropping so many "wider-bigger" statements all the time - but to me stereo and widening is something different. Though the wide effect comes with voice spread it still serves a more musical purpose when playing chords.

Like writing scores to each musician and placing them in the room.

Happy you helped the long birth of a very simple child .

[Lindon]

@David-Healey said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

@dannytaurus @Lindon Here's a version with a voice start mod instead, let me know if this is better

HiseSnippet 1163.3oc6Xs0aaaCElJNra1MqqEHXX.6goArGRG5FrV7xEDLzbw1YFqNwHJ8xdpfV53XhHQpQQkMig8aaE6Wv9oz+AajTJ1TItMMdI8FpeHw7b3QmOdtwOqdBd.jlxEHmZGNJAPNKf8GwjC2YHgxPcZhbtEtKIUBB2bQaOJgjlBgHGmJ6pE3Tcdj4yyu+1jHBK.lHBgdDmF.OfFSkSj1ayelFE0lDBGRis1ciM6DvY6vi3YJ7TAWGkPBNlbDrGQus4vnehjND47MXOXsFqF1e8f9qzvqwxAq2X40qGtFoALH.p6Etdi9MVOn9pHmazJjJ4BeIQBoHm42lGNxeH+2X4N3QzTZ+HPuvC4q7bt317nP8QTKEsyPZTXuSCToHjCt2jvVk7v1h3tzP5X4SBe21nvchE1APm4JCuJkfmmM7paAuo.IGKHMeNjtC1OPPSjSznwyMwcXpr4.hJOYCk78hb9a7Nb0FXxuKlbLzVnVL1fkVod864p9yc2nVsAYr.Ikyb4r83RXe1R2s1eTqZs+rl6YUMXvT0ocjfGEAhopVWbHdYFtDKKtOHtm6IjnLX7FUAfxQU7KNpZmzCxO2Vajy5vnx8S.1KpT.UDrTe6gcZRjDcpnPlZeIfPR0PvoIbhpQHOwTE2DROVxSTsBmKqopW3gYQDY4hHcqVgBULnTlSmdXoT4H6VwqrJqWUHdGbOpLX3zw3bSAipH00AFK5G+DbqACf.4D.NOt8StdZ9rc+mVZJ5tBdVhw6KlK.RoopQoF4dWEyRSdkmk1hQTml1cseh6PDBJH5vBge2x4+03764z7PFMky3FnrULOiIsAcg1lfLiUB5EJ7SD.Iz1BM58AETCMOxzR0vUdYCu8lwg2ezacCueGXJPo6WpdJF8owIQPK1IPjZTWwXflv.RVjbrTaP1UUCjLjynA1EGG.RA8ni.gMzm54YKoTwHXhjE27.HBHoV0Ze8lOfx.hPElfYLT3coupcpoqOGmCWWcmo66tCuq7d8v6RoSbt+qg8ULd.txmZmuPwR21Oo7L6dDqQ1+xydLMTNzRvlu9q4tMVgo+W0ZW5grWHduQNd+hB5nl47JuIjiwuA5eYgdWyFbM6vc7V7t3Sx1zDdDQnoabJY1mgEvQtIpPxO59sdaXQgbBJV5D8WMWzYnPlu6uR8uMpUUntISvbMKJyAs3AvSNq8WNRtWRprybEzqIhpKfyu6Wm3tHBfuAlyo5jMLPdCBuakCuapt7jAFNgFj8Yl0tOlbB3tKv.w4K5KyP7et5YHtefT49CEDVZBOszC1GhoGxY17yTERopeeH7qGnmzThUImHlppme+1pC4TswmnZzLirNKqRUg50BOv4+.OvOPn35HKd.OSRYG0knX0p9sS38xh8U8XAfx6LFDoeiDNyo6SxWWWuNuIiEZV7upOEJ8zqcJT5cpx2a7QLIPveZP9kf5txO1HQEaYl24WUbW8ZWOj4hQ65kXUG4SCBJ+nNmge+rZ3xypgMlUC+gY0vUlUCWcVMbsK1P8.ysxj7371eDpauVFdGNN4uIBSWG5+.n.WafD

oh very nice...

[inlandempire]

@David-Healey said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

@inlandempire said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

But I had not figured out at this tage of my developing career

As you can gather from the thread, neither had we

Well....hmm...were we too quick to call it a success?
I can't get any FX to work in the stereo field now. Take into account that everything is still pretty new to me, but regardless of where I insert a delay or reverb it only appears in the channel recently triggered.

[David Healey]

@inlandempire said in New to HISE, the forum – and a question about Voice Spread:

were we too quick to call it a success?

Nope, you just became a typical client and added new requirements after I'd given you the feature you asked for. I'm just messing.

Do you want per sampler effects or do you want master effects or something else? How should they behave?

[inlandempire]

@David-Healey
Hahaha... no, I did not order anything. :-) In my personal order book of knowledge (which are extensive at some fields - not coding) all good gestures are always billede "Free of Charge" :- )

If the requirements did not implicit cover that everything after the voices were panned was panned too... then yes, I changed them hahahah...

For the Convolution reverb I am using at this stage I'd just like it to be on the master.

[David Healey]

@inlandempire So if the audio goes left you want the effect to go left too and not affect the right?

[inlandempire]

@David-Healey
I think it is just me who will have to learn to crate a send and a return. As an insert it behaves as expected. When left played the reverb is in left. I want the effects (reverb, panning delay) to be stereo... so I will need to create a send and return .... and that is something else I admit :-)

[David Healey]

@inlandempire You can use a send container and send effect for that