Posts made by Lindon

@Natan said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

@Lindon Ah Lindon Don't Feel down Buddy

This happend to all of Us.
Mine Cracked too and I Saw it Everywhere Too.

Here is an Advise:

Once your Plugins get Publish and Removed By your Dmca Request.
Don't Release abother Update, Or it will posted on warez Again.

As long as You dont Release New Versions they dont Repost your Products on Audioz.
So you can recover By Doing promotions and Big Sales.

And Black friday is Around the corner, Just keep The update After that day, And Instead make No brainer sales.

Btw, Proud of yourself, Once you get In their Radar Means Youre Getting Known to A Big crowd Of Music Producers.
And R2R Not Crack Cheap Plugins.

Keep up the Good works Man

Getting known != making a living. But thanks for your comments.

@Natan said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

@Christoph-Hart @Lindon
Yes, they can Read the binaries.
As long As we work on Development they work on Cracking side. And we Grow with Each Other ‍️

except we dont grow - we wither and die. If it takes me a month (at the insanely best) to make a plugin and it takes them a day to crack it - then I have lost every time.

@Christoph-Hart said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

@Lindon said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

if thats so then theres really nothing I can do in HISE to make this even partly defensable

That's not something limited to HISE - the bottom line is whenever somebody that knows how to reverse debug a binary lays his hands on your software, it's game over. It's a little bit easier to extract the string of the HiseScript code than checking the actual binary code (however I'm surprised that they do this as it deviates from their standard cracking procedure which I hoped gives us a little bit more time). But that means only that it will take them 30 minutes to crack instead of 2 hours.

so we are all screwed.

@Natan said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

@orange They Ship the original Installers of your plugins ( Untouched )
And Keygen just Generates new Serials Based on Your Formula. ( it is Complex for You but easy For them )
And notarized Isnt a Thing, You just need another App To Make Serial Codes.

They cracked ILok,Output Arcade Server, And Things You wont believe. I also read They cracked cubase and Uad Stuffs and protools. But Not released it yet because of their Relationship With Stienberg and Avid And Uad.

The formula Protection = Keygen
And Keygen = Can Make serial Codes for All your Plugins Life time

How though are they "doing" this? How are they looking inside the plugin to see the formula?

@d-healey said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

@Lindon said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

they have some way of "seeing" into my product script code... and reading my approach and my secret keys

I would guess that this is what they've done.

if thats so then theres really nothing I can do in HISE to make this even partly defensable

@d-healey - oh thats my fault - too busy entering stuff not reading where I am...

@d-healey - yes all valid.

On another track...its interesting to download my cracked software, as @Natan says it includes a Keygen program - which I cant get to work by the way... but still it means the pirate has worked out what the approach is I'm using - which surprises me - yes each product uses the same approach - however the approach itself uses a secret key as part of the authorisation system - so the inputs and outputs to the authoriastion system have to be different for each product , and they've hacked them all - so either they've spent time on each one - and I think it would be considerable time - or they have some way of "seeing" into my product script code... and reading my approach and my secret keys...

@d-healey - nothing solves it 100% David

@d-healey - in the right thread now:

https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=523031&p=8235873&hilit=Urs#p8235873

@d-healey -- go read Urs Heckmans commentary(KVRAudio DSP forum) on how to build effective authorisation systems - he has a way around this issue.

@hisefilo -- one approach I designed for a server check-in system included a challenge response , so the plugin has a set (of say 500) challenge/response pairs, so it sends the server its "is this registered?" type message along with one of the challenges, and gets back a yes/no and a response, if the message returned from the server is "this plugin is OK " then the plugin looks up the response to make sure its correct for the challenge it sent....

The idea being its pretty hard for the pirates to have a system that fakes the server AND fake the challenge/response when there are 500 different options it would need to cover......

@Natan

sent an email as you suggested -- got this back;

Your message couldn't be delivered to discontent@audioz.se. Their inbox is full or it's receiving too much mail at the moment.

@Natan said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

Audioz.download

err..ok so i'm sending the DMCA notice to pirat@audioz.download ???

@Christoph-Hart said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

Oh and the links on my favorite crack site I used to lurk around when I was 13 point to rapidgate and other file hosters so if you want, I can send you a list of the links and you can then file a takedown request directly at the 3-4 file hosters (they actually respond to these kind of requests).

• yeah that'd be great thanks

@Christoph-Hart - well every single product uses a different key-gen system (each product has a unique key) so they didn't I think crack the code - they just looked for the call to the authorisation routine and turned it off... in each one..so time fore the Urs Hackman improvements...

@DabDab - on these sites?

https://magesypro.pro/

• they are in Russia, and could care less about DMCA

@Christoph-Hart said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

@Lindon have you noticed a dip in your sales when the cracked releases came out? There are different experiences out there from sales being cut by 80% to even increases in sales (because of the publicity).

Don't feel obligated to answer this though...

-well sales on these products have been falling away for a while now, but yeah sales "fell off a cliff"

Well - after the last week of dealing with social media about releases I'm pretty sanguine about this sort of thing. .. my current position is "not likely to build another CR product ever......" - I will probably recover but right now I'm completely over the music software industry.

@DabDab see that thing in your png that says Sampler.LoopEnabled ......see if you can work out what that does...