Custom browser - custom preset file format???

Orvillain

@d-healey said in Custom browser - custom preset file format???:

@Orvillain said in Custom browser - custom preset file format???:

Any thoughts on this kind of thing

Sounds like a lot of work.

Yep it is! But they're paying for it....

@Orvillain said in Custom browser - custom preset file format???:

bundle the custom loaded .wav file, or the samplemap, with the preset.

What do you mean by bundle?

I'd probably settle for a preset file and accompanying .samples folder that sits next to it, with the preset file being updated to no longer include hard-paths, but relative ones instead. The enforcement being that the .samples folder HAS to live next to the preset file on disk.

David Healey

@Orvillain said in Custom browser - custom preset file format???:

I'd probably settle for a preset file and accompanying .samples folder that sits next to it, with the preset file being updated to no longer include hard-paths, but relative ones instead. The enforcement being that the .samples folder HAS to live next to the preset file on disk.

That sounds like the simplest solution. So then it's just additional lines to add to your preset json file.

Orvillain

Right so it looks like there's quite a few ways to potentially address this. But probably the most flexible is using the UserPresetHandler API:
https://docs.hise.dev/scripting/scripting-api/userpresethandler/index.html

This function seems extremely relevant:

UserPresetHandler.setUseCustomUserPresetModel(var loadCallback, var saveCallback, bool usePersistentObject)

It takes two functions - onPresetLoad and onPresetSave.

So in theory, I write a custom namespace for handling my custom preset format. It needs to be able to this kind of stuff:

Gather all loaded samplemap names and any relevant identifiers
Gather all parameters and their values
Construct a sensible JSON array of all of the above
Save it to a file on disk, using the FileSystem API coupled with the UserPresetHandler API.
Use the onPresetLoad() method to reconstruct a selected preset in full.
It also needs to be able to flag when sample content cannot be found.
It needs to be able to also save and restore modulator states
Any internal values for midi processors also need to be stored
Arpeggiator patterns also
Any routing matrix changes
Maybe sample map details beyond names - root notes, velocity splits, etc?
Add a version number to the file for future use
UI states for selected tabs
Provide some kind of sample relink method in situations where a samplemap or individual sample cannot be found
For saving a preset, I should plan to allow custom meta-data to be added to a preset; things like author, style, type, etc...

Need to do some heavy thinking about this. Because the clients requirements are definitely quite a bit more expanded in scope than I initially thought.

HISEnberg

@Orvillain It's definitley a big task. Out of curiousity have you considered just "hijacking" HISE's preset system using the UserPresetHandler API? This is what I am testing out currently in a project that demands more from the preset browser than is currently available.

My idea is to let HISE's preset system to handle all the heavy lifting while I just define custom save/load callbacks that embed extra metadata as necessary. So instead of creating a completely separate file format, I'm using UserPresetHandler.setUseCustomUserPresetModel() to replace HISE's default data structure with my own while keeping the standard .preset file format.

As an example I am trying to define my own Tagging system and adding that information into the .xmls found in the UserPreset folder.

It might breakdown in your use case given the client requirements here, but may be worth investigating.

Christoph Hart

That's the right direction, but I would also try to stay within the HISE user preset system so you get the intended loading prodecure (kill voices, load the preset on a background thread, then unsuspend the audio processing).

With the custom data model you can define the layout of the user preset file as you wish. Note that it will be converted from JSON to XML at some point though (which is a bit weird).

They also want to be able to export a preset, and include any sample content with the preset - ie; bundle the custom loaded .wav file, or the samplemap, with the preset. For personal sharing purposes.

I would detach this from the user preset system. A preset with sample mapping data and samples should be

The preset file
The JSON (or SFZ or whatever) mapping file
The audio samples

all in one folder.

Orvillain

@Christoph-Hart I'm looking at this again. Before I begin, is there a decent snippet anywhere that demonstrates how to do this for a simple plugin?

Also, what are the gotcha's to watch out for? You mentioned killing voices, loading on the background thread, etc...

Christoph Hart

@Orvillain nope, I'm using it in Triaz, but I haven't made a public example yet, but it's a good idea to do so. The problem is that it cannot be encompassed into a nice simple snippet as it requires additional data (preset files) to be useful.

Just from thinking about it there are a few things to watch out for:

initialisation order. Usually you can decide what you restore first by rearringing your script function, but be aware that restoring module states for whole HISE modules will always come after this method.
the function is being executed synchronously in the loading thread (but it should take a lock to prevent simultaneous execution of scripting tasks in the scripting thread). You can safely assume that there are no voices playing during this function call (because it kills all voices when loading a preset).
The XML -> JSON conversion is a bit weird because the data structures are not 100% convertible, so there are a few edge cases to consider here. You'll notice when you run into them :)

Orvillain

@Christoph-Hart

Hey Christoph - I've not really got my head around this yet, and my client is requesting multiple types of preset. They want effect chain presets as well as full state presets. They also want to be able to add meta-data and copy samples along with the preset.

Does that mean I'm going to need custom data models for each type ??

I could really do with a simple tutorial that shows some of this stuff

Orvillain

Here's what I've figured out so far:

namespace PluginUserPresetHandling {

    const UserPresetHandler = Engine.createUserPresetHandler();

    
    inline function onPresetLoad(obj) {
        Console.print("we just loaded a preset!");
        if (obj.presetData.ui)
            UserPresetHandler.updateSaveInPresetComponents(obj.presetData.ui);
    }
    
    inline function onPresetSave() {
        Console.print("we just saved a preset!");
        return {
            "version": "1.0.0",
            "presetName": "This is a magic string for the preset name",
            "presetAuthor": "Drew",
            "presetDescription": "This is a saucy preset",
            "presetTags": ["Fat, Warm, Round"],
            "presetData": {
                "ui": UserPresetHandler.createObjectForSaveInPresetComponents()
            }
        };
    }

    inline function init() {
        UserPresetHandler.setUseCustomUserPresetModel(onPresetLoad, onPresetSave, false);
    }
}

And this will actually produce a file that looks like this:

So that's quite cool.... but something about my preset did sound different, versus how it sounded when I saved it. So I guess there's more data across the modules that I need to grab too.

Lindon

@Orvillain said in Custom browser - custom preset file format???:

@Christoph-Hart

Hey Christoph - I've not really got my head around this yet, and my client is requesting multiple types of preset. They want effect chain presets as well as full state presets. They also want to be able to add meta-data and copy samples along with the preset.

FX Chain presets should be pretty simple to encode in a json data model - what meta-data and samples?

Does that mean I'm going to need custom data models for each type ??

yes

DanH

@Orvillain there’s a mini preset system posted on here a while back by the lunacy guys / Casey Kolb. I’m about to take off otherwise would post.

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