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    • HISEnbergH
      HISEnberg @d.healey
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      @d-healey Very well could. I will keep things simple to start.

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      • d.healeyD
        d.healey @HISEnberg
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        @HISEnberg I mean in terms of file size. @Christoph-Hart Will bundling faust effects affect performance or resource usage of expansions that don't use them?

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        • LindonL
          Lindon @Christoph Hart
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          @Christoph-Hart said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:

          @HISEnberg great, I'm wondering what would be the best way of collecting those. Maybe we'll just post them here in the topic with these rules:

          • one faust code per topic using the backticks codebox syntax
          • the code must be pasteable into the hise faust node as is and create all the parameters or external connections
          • license must be permissible (I know that Rhapsody is GPL so this isn't a strict requirement but let's be honest, the engagement will be a lot higher if all you proprietary folk will get something out of this too)

          Well I guess we should start by deciding what licenses we want to admit, a fair amount of code in the faust respository use "MIT-style STK-4.3 license" - so is that OK?

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          • d.healeyD
            d.healey @Lindon
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            @Lindon MIT is fine, I think STK is too but not 100% sure.

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            • HISEnbergH
              HISEnberg @d.healey
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              @d-healey Ah that is a legitimate concern. I have one project with about 40 FX (mixed use of Faust, Scriptnode and RNBO) that is about 700 MBs in the DSP folder alone.

              Just some food for thought, and correct me if I am wrong here: You and obviously @Christoph-Hart are more seasoned than me, but I've often thought about HISE initially starting as an alternative to Kontakt's sampler players and over the years evolving into this alternative DSP environment to do so much more.

              Especially with Faust integration, the wavetable, Scriptnode, Global Mod, RNBO, etc. so many doors opened up to explore. All that to say, it seems that increasingly users are posting on the forum, looking to use HISE to create plugins other than samplers. This is especially true for FX plugins.

              Perhaps a template like Rhapsody but for FX would offer a better alternative, rather than incorporating them into Rhapsody?

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              • LindonL
                Lindon @HISEnberg
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                @HISEnberg said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:

                Perhaps a template like Rhapsody but for FX would offer a better alternative, rather than incorporating them into Rhapsody?

                Why wouldn't you want to add FX into your Sampler project?

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                • d.healeyD
                  d.healey @HISEnberg
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                  @HISEnberg said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:

                  Perhaps a template like Rhapsody but for FX would offer a better alternative, rather than incorporating them into Rhapsody?

                  The main advantage of Rhapsody is that developers don't need to worry about compiling their projects and the stuff that goes along with it - codesigning, notarizing, distributing installers, etc.

                  So while an effects template might be good I think it's a tangent to the idea of implementing effects for developers working on expansions for Rhapsody.

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                  • HISEnbergH
                    HISEnberg @d.healey
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                    @d-healey @Lindon Thanks for clarifying, I will leave it up to you guys to decide on how to move forward on this then :)

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                    • Christoph HartC
                      Christoph Hart @HISEnberg
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                      Ah that is a legitimate concern. I have one project with about 40 FX (mixed use of Faust, Scriptnode and RNBO) that is about 700 MBs in the DSP folder alone.

                      That's a non issue, the bulk of that are objects files that the compiler will throw away. You can expect the final binary size increase of DSP algorithms no matter how complex to be in the kilobytes (unless you start embedding impulse responses or big chunks of audio data).

                      A GitHub repo may be a better alternative but less accessible (or harder to find) for HISE users

                      Yes, that is my experience as well with random GitHub repos that nobody will find. But on the other hand the development will be much more easy and I suspect it to be a handful of contributors at this point that we can manually add to the repo. I'll create one later and invite you, also everybody that wants to contribute just drop your GitHub user name here and I'll add you as collaborateur.

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                      • d.healeyD
                        d.healey @Christoph Hart
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                        @Christoph-Hart Will I need to compile Rhapsody using a particular version of faust?

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                        • Christoph HartC
                          Christoph Hart @d.healey
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                          @d-healey said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:

                          @Christoph-Hart Will I need to compile Rhapsody using a particular version of faust?

                          If you export the DLL to compile the faust plugins then it will create the C++ code in the AdditionalSourceCode folder so theoretically you would have to do this once for every effect library version and don't need to have Faust running on the system that you compile the binaries for distribution, but let's talk integration when we get there, there are multiple options and all of them should be pretty straight forward.

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                          • LindonL
                            Lindon @Christoph Hart
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                            @Christoph-Hart said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:
                            . I'll create one later and invite you, also everybody that wants to contribute just drop your GitHub user name here and I'll add you as collaborateur.

                            I think you have mine already but just in case:

                            LindonAtChannelRobot

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                            • HISEnbergH
                              HISEnberg @Christoph Hart
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                              Awesome thanks, mine is:
                              mzajner

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                              • Christoph HartC
                                Christoph Hart @HISEnberg
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                                Alright, I've added you two guys and wrote a short readme (we can expand the guidelines over time), but that should be good enough to get the ball rolling.

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                                GitHub - christoph-hart/faust_fx_library: A community collection of Faust powered FX for usage in HISE

                                A community collection of Faust powered FX for usage in HISE - christoph-hart/faust_fx_library

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                                GitHub (github.com)

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                                • HISEnbergH
                                  HISEnberg @Christoph Hart
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                                  Nice thank you.

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                                  • d.healeyD
                                    d.healey @Christoph Hart
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                                    @Christoph-Hart Add me too please

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                                    • DabDabD
                                      DabDab
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                                      @Christoph-Hart add me too. GitHub name dabbudebendra . Can I use those effects only in HISE if I don't want to use Rhapsody ?

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                                        fotisandstuff @DabDab
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                                        I would like to contribute, too! Github username: fotisandstuff

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                                        • LindonL
                                          Lindon @Christoph Hart
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                                          @Christoph-Hart said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:

                                          Alright, I've added you two guys and wrote a short readme (we can expand the guidelines over time), but that should be good enough to get the ball rolling.

                                          Link Preview Image
                                          GitHub - christoph-hart/faust_fx_library: A community collection of Faust powered FX for usage in HISE

                                          A community collection of Faust powered FX for usage in HISE - christoph-hart/faust_fx_library

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                                          Well one thing right off the bat....

                                          I see there's a directory structure up there - but Im not sure I understand what I'm supposed to be putting up...

                                          "just" some faust.dsp code? Some ScriptNode XML that shows how to wire it up? Both? Something else as well?

                                          Maybe we should agree on the best format/structure?

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                                          • LindonL
                                            Lindon @DabDab
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                                            @DabDab said in Is using Faust with Rhapsody possible?:

                                            @Christoph-Hart add me too. GitHub name dabbudebendra . Can I use those effects only in HISE if I don't want to use Rhapsody ?

                                            yes, subject to the license associated with it.

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