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    • Christoph HartC
      Christoph Hart
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      guess that could be scripted though.

      you mean if you release the latest note while holding an older note, it should replay the older note? Just slap a Legato with retrigger module in there and you're done :)

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      • lalalandsynthL
        lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
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        @Christoph-Hart

        I am using the legato module but that does not work in a low or high note priority manner.

        Low note priority should only allow notes lower then the initial note to be played, high note the opposite.
        This is the way most analog synths work , for most synths its needed and in some instances essential.

        For example if you have a bass section that is monophonic included in a poly section , like some string synths.
        Then you can play a chord on the "lower" section of the keyboard )which includes the mono bass) and the bass will only play the "root note/lowest note"

        Also needed for monophonic leads.

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart
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          Ah I see, yeah, in that case you need to script something, shouldn't be too hard though...

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          • lalalandsynthL
            lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
            last edited by lalalandsynth

            @Christoph-Hart
            Ok.

            Is it reasonable to expect an update where you can make paraphonic behaviour ?
            That is , a poly synth with monophonic envelopes ?

            I am willing to wait if needed , but would love to know if I am wasting my time preparing all these string and bass synths that need that functionality or if in fact I am just missing how to achieve that ?

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            • Casey KolbC
              Casey Kolb @Christoph Hart
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              • Casey KolbC
                Casey Kolb
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                @Christoph-Hart said in Issue creating true monophonic behavior:

                Don't change the voice amount, but only the voice limit:

                @Christoph-Hart Yup quickly figured this out. Only changing Voice Limit now 😂

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                • Christoph HartC
                  Christoph Hart @lalalandsynth
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                  @lalalandsynth said in Issue creating true monophonic behavior:

                  Is it reasonable to expect an update where you can make paraphonic behaviour ?
                  That is , a poly synth with monophonic envelopes ?

                  Actually this is supposed to work already, it's just superfishy, but I'm cleaning it up now.

                  Quick question: in a monophonic envelope, the attack value is ramping from the current value, not from zero if it's retriggered, yes?

                  e27fd39c-8a97-4f13-b425-5985ba0c9c49-image.png

                  So this gap here should not be there (as you can see I had to create a small ramp in order to remove clicks, but the other solution would be to just ramp up from the current value).

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                  • Christoph HartC
                    Christoph Hart
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                    Alright that gap is gone. You can still enable it with HISE_RAMP_RETRIGGER_ENVELOPES_FROM_ZERO if you depend on that behaviour, but it only affects monophonic envelopes which were broken anyway :)

                    I've also redesigned the bipolar frequency modulation for the filter. I didn't bother about any backwards flags as I am not aware that it's used in any live project.

                    I've changed it to pan mode, which has these implications:

                    • all modulators can be switched between bipolar and unipolar and the intensity goes from -100% to 100%
                    • the modulation signals are added instead of multiplied

                    The bipolar freq knob should now respond as expected, but I'm open to suggestions here.

                    With these fixes and the other one with the squared time-variant modulators you should have anything you need in order to use the monophonic envelopes.

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                    • lalalandsynthL
                      lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
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                      @Christoph-Hart Excellent !!
                      Let me test this , will report :)

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                      • lalalandsynthL
                        lalalandsynth
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                        This is the classic retrig behaviour although reset to zero is also used in some cases.
                        Retrig.jpg

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                        • lalalandsynthL
                          lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
                          last edited by lalalandsynth

                          @Christoph-Hart just so I am testing properly, do I still need to put a mono envelope on top of the poly one ? And if so...will that not cause problems? Anyway..will test this

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                          • Christoph HartC
                            Christoph Hart
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                            Yes, you need a poly envelope on top of the monophonic one - you always need at least one polyphonic envelope.

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                            • dejansD
                              dejans
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                              Filter Cutoff modulation with Envelope is not working now, bipolar modulation works though

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                              • Christoph HartC
                                Christoph Hart
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                                FAIL! How could I miss that :)

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                                • dejansD
                                  dejans @Christoph Hart
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                                  @Christoph-Hart Terrible, how could you... ;)

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                                  • lalalandsynthL
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                                    I will wait for that fix ;)

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                                    • lalalandsynthL
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                                      last edited by lalalandsynth

                                      As I am coming back to HISE and testing out monophonic envelopes , I still dont see how this can work unless I am missing some changes ?

                                      So...I am now working on a monophonic synth with monophonic envelopes.

                                      It seems like I still need a polyphonic envelope before the monophonic one ,so I need to leave the release up on the poly one (or I do not have the option of release on the second mono one) but that will never work , as a new note will now play the release portion of the first note resulting in 2 notes playing ?

                                      What am I doing wrong here ?

                                      Here is a simple mono envelope with little release, the attack portion works correctly.

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                                      And here is a demonstration of what happens when you add release on the poly envelope (to be able to have release on the mono envelope) and this will never really work ? Please tell me I am being stupid here , but this was exactly one of the problems when I took a pause from HISE.

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                                        gigekiy @Casey Kolb
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                                        @Casey-Kolb
                                        I would like the ability to play monophonic trills with my Vapor and Nostalgia lead patches. In other words, pedal (hold down) one note while playing a series of (other) notes. The pedal note should automatically retrigger when the other notes are released. Check out the synth lead from Styx's "Fooling Yourself" for example.
                                        This is a basic feature of Moog Modular V, ImpOSCar, Minimonsta etc.
                                        But, I haven't figured out how to get Kompakt to automatically retrigger the pedal note. I have read in Reaktor/Kontakt forums about using a special script to do this...but, what about Kompakt?

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                                        • Casey KolbC
                                          Casey Kolb @gigekiy
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                                          @gigekiy Is this related to HISE? What is Kompakt?

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