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    • Casey KolbC
      Casey Kolb
      last edited by

      Ignore me – the solution was just to set it this way. In my particular case I need to set the VoiceLimit to closer to 5 or 6 to avoid pops and clicks in my plugin, but overall the monophonic functionality is what I'm after so thank you!

      sampler.setAttribute(sampler.VoiceLimit, value ? 1 : 128);
      sampler.setAttribute(sampler.VoiceAmount, value ? 1 : 128);
      
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      • Christoph HartC
        Christoph Hart
        last edited by

        Don't change the voice amount, but only the voice limit:

        
        const var NUM_POLY_VOICES = 128;
        
        const var b = Content.addButton("b", 0, 0);
        
        const var Sampler1 = Synth.getChildSynth("Sampler1");
        
        inline function bc(c, v)
        {
            Sampler1.setAttribute(Sampler1.VoiceLimit, v ? 2 : NUM_POLY_VOICES );
        }
        
        b.setControlCallback(bc);
        

        If you also change the voice amount, it will reallocate the voices, this might lead to problems when you use it in a realtime context (if you want to switch between monophonic and polyphonic during playback for any reason).

        Also the number 2 isn't a glitch: it tells the sampler at which point to start killing voices, so two means "as soon as two are active, fade out the oldest voice". 1 isn't a valid number here (because it would always kills notes then), that's why it updates it to the minimum amount. It's a bit misleading though :)

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        • lalalandsynthL
          lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
          last edited by lalalandsynth

          @Christoph-Hart

          Nice ! This seems to work somewhat for a monophonic sound (bass) although you do need the legato as well (for an analog bass synth emulation) , and for that to work in a predictable way it would need to be able to set the low or high note priority , guess that could be scripted though.

          Is there some other way to achieve monophonic envelope (paraphonic) behaviour for polyphonic sounds, something I have missed ? I played with the monophonic envelopes but never got it to work properly ?

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          • Christoph HartC
            Christoph Hart
            last edited by

            guess that could be scripted though.

            you mean if you release the latest note while holding an older note, it should replay the older note? Just slap a Legato with retrigger module in there and you're done :)

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            • lalalandsynthL
              lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
              last edited by

              @Christoph-Hart

              I am using the legato module but that does not work in a low or high note priority manner.

              Low note priority should only allow notes lower then the initial note to be played, high note the opposite.
              This is the way most analog synths work , for most synths its needed and in some instances essential.

              For example if you have a bass section that is monophonic included in a poly section , like some string synths.
              Then you can play a chord on the "lower" section of the keyboard )which includes the mono bass) and the bass will only play the "root note/lowest note"

              Also needed for monophonic leads.

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              • Christoph HartC
                Christoph Hart
                last edited by

                Ah I see, yeah, in that case you need to script something, shouldn't be too hard though...

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                • lalalandsynthL
                  lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
                  last edited by lalalandsynth

                  @Christoph-Hart
                  Ok.

                  Is it reasonable to expect an update where you can make paraphonic behaviour ?
                  That is , a poly synth with monophonic envelopes ?

                  I am willing to wait if needed , but would love to know if I am wasting my time preparing all these string and bass synths that need that functionality or if in fact I am just missing how to achieve that ?

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                  • Casey KolbC
                    Casey Kolb @Christoph Hart
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                    • Casey KolbC
                      Casey Kolb
                      last edited by

                      @Christoph-Hart said in Issue creating true monophonic behavior:

                      Don't change the voice amount, but only the voice limit:

                      @Christoph-Hart Yup quickly figured this out. Only changing Voice Limit now 😂

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                      • Christoph HartC
                        Christoph Hart @lalalandsynth
                        last edited by

                        @lalalandsynth said in Issue creating true monophonic behavior:

                        Is it reasonable to expect an update where you can make paraphonic behaviour ?
                        That is , a poly synth with monophonic envelopes ?

                        Actually this is supposed to work already, it's just superfishy, but I'm cleaning it up now.

                        Quick question: in a monophonic envelope, the attack value is ramping from the current value, not from zero if it's retriggered, yes?

                        e27fd39c-8a97-4f13-b425-5985ba0c9c49-image.png

                        So this gap here should not be there (as you can see I had to create a small ramp in order to remove clicks, but the other solution would be to just ramp up from the current value).

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                        • Christoph HartC
                          Christoph Hart
                          last edited by

                          Alright that gap is gone. You can still enable it with HISE_RAMP_RETRIGGER_ENVELOPES_FROM_ZERO if you depend on that behaviour, but it only affects monophonic envelopes which were broken anyway :)

                          I've also redesigned the bipolar frequency modulation for the filter. I didn't bother about any backwards flags as I am not aware that it's used in any live project.

                          I've changed it to pan mode, which has these implications:

                          • all modulators can be switched between bipolar and unipolar and the intensity goes from -100% to 100%
                          • the modulation signals are added instead of multiplied

                          The bipolar freq knob should now respond as expected, but I'm open to suggestions here.

                          With these fixes and the other one with the squared time-variant modulators you should have anything you need in order to use the monophonic envelopes.

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                          • lalalandsynthL
                            lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
                            last edited by

                            @Christoph-Hart Excellent !!
                            Let me test this , will report :)

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                            • lalalandsynthL
                              lalalandsynth
                              last edited by

                              This is the classic retrig behaviour although reset to zero is also used in some cases.
                              Retrig.jpg

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                              • lalalandsynthL
                                lalalandsynth @Christoph Hart
                                last edited by lalalandsynth

                                @Christoph-Hart just so I am testing properly, do I still need to put a mono envelope on top of the poly one ? And if so...will that not cause problems? Anyway..will test this

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                                • Christoph HartC
                                  Christoph Hart
                                  last edited by

                                  Yes, you need a poly envelope on top of the monophonic one - you always need at least one polyphonic envelope.

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                                  • dejansD
                                    dejans
                                    last edited by

                                    Filter Cutoff modulation with Envelope is not working now, bipolar modulation works though

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                                    • Christoph HartC
                                      Christoph Hart
                                      last edited by

                                      FAIL! How could I miss that :)

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                                      • dejansD
                                        dejans @Christoph Hart
                                        last edited by

                                        @Christoph-Hart Terrible, how could you... ;)

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                                        • lalalandsynthL
                                          lalalandsynth
                                          last edited by

                                          I will wait for that fix ;)

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                                          • lalalandsynthL
                                            lalalandsynth
                                            last edited by lalalandsynth

                                            As I am coming back to HISE and testing out monophonic envelopes , I still dont see how this can work unless I am missing some changes ?

                                            So...I am now working on a monophonic synth with monophonic envelopes.

                                            It seems like I still need a polyphonic envelope before the monophonic one ,so I need to leave the release up on the poly one (or I do not have the option of release on the second mono one) but that will never work , as a new note will now play the release portion of the first note resulting in 2 notes playing ?

                                            What am I doing wrong here ?

                                            Here is a simple mono envelope with little release, the attack portion works correctly.

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                                            And here is a demonstration of what happens when you add release on the poly envelope (to be able to have release on the mono envelope) and this will never really work ? Please tell me I am being stupid here , but this was exactly one of the problems when I took a pause from HISE.

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