HISE Transformation to the new age
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@Christoph-Hart said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
Ralph loop.
Are you doing this with a single AI model? I recently read a workflow for Rails that used different AI models/platforms to provide code review of the first model's work.
Seems like this would help to prevent infinite loops, which were a huge problem with earlier models.
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
Na I played around with OpenCode and Big Pickle and got bored waiting for it to fail, so then I went back to work :)
I had no idea you hadn't already tried this out properly.
Do a $20/mo plan somewhere, for one month, and I think you might be converted.
Heck, you don't even need to pay - most of them have a free plan that resets token limits every day, or few hours.
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
How is it for adding features or fixing bugs in the HISE codebase?
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/pulls?page=1&q=+is%3Apr+author%3Aweavermedia
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@dannytaurus I'll take a look at it this evening
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
@dannytaurus said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
Nah, this is the start.
Tell me that again in 5 years
I'm not quite as cynical as I seem, I use AI all the time, I'm just cautious.
I also am concerned about AI inbreeding which is a real problem with limited solutions at the moment.
Honestly, this stuff isn't going away. It really isn't. This is the future of coding. Developers in future will be systems architects. They won't be solely opinionated language purists anymore.
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@dannytaurus I gave Claude the same task I gave Big Pickle and it failed in the same way, only much much faster.
But then I pushed it some more and it seems to have completed the task successfully!
The task in this case to allow relative paths for script includes.
Need to do more testing but hopefully a PR incoming.
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Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)
Relative include paths PR
Relative font paths PR
Custom Settings floating tile label alignment PROn the HISE script side of things I'm not sure I would want to pass it over to AI since I enjoy scripting and I think I could write it more quickly myself than back and forth with an AI. However I find writing laf can be tedious so the Ralph technique with that would be useful to me. I'd also find it useful for DSP/ScriptNode/Faust work.
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)
Relative include paths PR
Relative font paths PR
Custom Settings floating tile label alignment PROn the HISE script side of things I'm not sure I would want to pass it over to AI since I enjoy scripting and I think I could write it more quickly myself than back and forth with an AI. However I find writing laf can be tedious so the Ralph technique with that would be useful to me. I'd also find it useful for DSP/ScriptNode/Faust work.
Okay, if this guy is in, I'm in.....
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)
By Jove, I think he's got it!
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)
Relative include paths PR
Relative font paths PR
Custom Settings floating tile label alignment PROn the HISE script side of things I'm not sure I would want to pass it over to AI since I enjoy scripting and I think I could write it more quickly myself than back and forth with an AI. However I find writing laf can be tedious so the Ralph technique with that would be useful to me. I'd also find it useful for DSP/ScriptNode/Faust work.
Well this is lovely stuff, but before I (and a bunch of other people) get into using this stuff I think we should all try and get on the same commit - and clearly one near the front....if not the latest....
Maybe we should have a list of things we would like to see fixed before we all transition to a latest build and enter this all new Systems Architect world...
So I cant do this until this bug is addressed:
Is there a way for some Claude savvy person who might want to take a swing at getting it resolved?
I'd do it my self but as you can see Im in the Catch 22 position: I cant fix it until Im on a latest build and I cant get on a latest build until its fixed....
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@Lindon said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
try and get on the same commit - and clearly one near the front....if not the latest....
I'm on the master branch now... by which I mean yesterday I reset the master branch of my fork to track the latest changes in my development branch. It's about time we got back to the master I think.
@Lindon said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
I too need this one fixing and I wouldn't feel confident using AI to fix it because I don't fully understand the problem myself at the code level and therefore I wouldn't be able to evaluate if the AI's output is good or bad beyond "it seems to work".
With the PRs I made above I targetted relatively simple tasks that are not interwoven with multiple parts of the codebase.
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@David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
@Lindon said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
I too need this one fixing and I wouldn't feel confident using AI to fix it because I don't fully understand the problem myself at the code level and therefore I wouldn't be able to evaluate if the AI's output is good or bad beyond "it seems to work".
With the PRs I made above I targetted relatively simple tasks that are not interwoven with multiple parts of the codebase.
OK this one looks like its a great candidate for @Christoph-Hart 's all new love affair with Claude and Ralf.... any chance?
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@Lindon we will not let Ralph loose on the HISE source code in the foreseeable future (or ever) - any kind of architectural change I tried in the last weeks had me code review every single line of code multiple times. Plus the ralph loop needs a validator step where it can check if it‘s done, and what would that be for complex bugs in HISE?
But you guys raise an interesting an realistic opportunity that has arisen with AI: the time that it takes you to wait for me fixing trivial to easy bugs should be gone once we setup a workflow that somehow leverages this distinction. I‘m thinking of this flow of events: 1. user finds a bug. 2. user starts a verified and sophisticated analysis process that evaluates the severity and complexity of the problem. 3a. if the complexity is below a threshold to be defined, user launches an agent to fix it. 4. user confirms that the bug is fixed and then makes a pull request. I‘ll review all prs regularly and merge the ones that I approve, the other ones will be discussed or rejected. 3b) if the complexity is too high to confidently exclude any side effect that fix could introduce then the agent will create a thorough analysis of the problem that then can be passed on to me in a format that let‘s me easily review and think about a proper solution.
The „easy route“ has been verified to be working effectively with the fixes that Dan did 2 months ago, so I think we just need to setup a formalized procedure that you can follow that ensures that I‘m not bombarded with PRs that I need to reevaluate each time for side effects, etc
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@Christoph-Hart This sounds like a very good approach. But what about the issue that I think we all need to get on a HISE commit that we can use as a basis for this "new world order". Perhaps the bug I pointed at which seems to fit in 3b, would be a good test case for you to try this new approach?
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@Lindon let me cycle back and forth with claude about this idea, it‘s pretty good at „generalizing“ problems like this and come up with a formalized procedure. I can imagine that my terrible branch policy of stuffing everything in the develop branch might not survive this process ;)
I think what could help me is to look in the issues for open bugs and do a naive assessment yourself whether you would flag this as 3a or 3b, then just list them here. This could offer a valuable insight for the baseline of how much the analysis needs to do - if we agree there 100% of the time, then perfect, otherwise there needs to be some kind of AI assisted step.
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@Christoph-Hart Ok let me head off to GitHub then, how do you want me to report back?
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@Lindon yup, just post 10 issues or so with a assessment of whether you would expect the AI to be able to perfectly oneshot the fix.
You can be sneaky AF and include issues that you like to be resolved first in this list, this kind of training data poisoning is harmless and well deserved…
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@Christoph-Hart said in HISE Transformation to the new age:
@Lindon yup, just post 10 issues or so with a assessment of whether you would expect the AI to be able to perfectly oneshot the fix.
You can be sneaky AF and include issues that you like to be resolved first in this list, this kind of training data poisoning is harmless and well deserved…
OK, well I'll def. include the one I care about most at the moment...
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OK here we go:
Easy-peasy one-shot Claude issues (perhaps):
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/869
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/739
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/762
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/761
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/625
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/863
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/769Woah, smart brain of good looking German man(who like musical theatre) required:
https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14165/latest-version-of-hise-breaks-existing-presets/40?_=1771154413502
==== damn it I cant find the github issue number....possibly because there isnt one - so one of us is (to quote the Sex Pistols) a "Lazy Sod"...sorryhttps://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/868
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/867
https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/782
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@Lindon yup good stuff, thanks. I'll try to explain Claude our plan, then give it this list of issues and let it categorize it into 3a or 3b without telling it your assessment. Then I'll do an assessment myself and we have three different evaluations per issue which should be a good enough "dataset" to distill a solution for step 2.
@David-Healey or anyone else reading this, you could also chime in with other findings of the bottomless pit of open issues from GH, the more assessments we have the better, it also expands the first column of the training data from Lindon's brain to a more generic "HISE developer" perspective - no pun intended Lindon :).
In the end we can also compare your assessments against mine and the AI suggestions and create a leaderboard in the who-can-take-over-if-I-get-hit-by-a-bus-category and a "who is actually a LLM disguised in a humanoid lifeform"-category...
