Forum
    • Categories
    • Register
    • Login

    HISE Transformation to the new age

    Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved AI discussion
    46 Posts 7 Posters 421 Views
    Loading More Posts
    • Oldest to Newest
    • Newest to Oldest
    • Most Votes
    Reply
    • Reply as topic
    Log in to reply
    This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
    • David HealeyD
      David Healey
      last edited by David Healey

      Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)

      Relative include paths PR
      Relative font paths PR
      Custom Settings floating tile label alignment PR

      On the HISE script side of things I'm not sure I would want to pass it over to AI since I enjoy scripting and I think I could write it more quickly myself than back and forth with an AI. However I find writing laf can be tedious so the Ralph technique with that would be useful to me. I'd also find it useful for DSP/ScriptNode/Faust work.

      Free HISE Bootcamp Full Course for beginners.
      YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials
      My Patreon - HISE tutorials

      LindonL dannytaurusD 3 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 0
      • LindonL
        Lindon @David Healey
        last edited by

        @David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

        Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)

        Relative include paths PR
        Relative font paths PR
        Custom Settings floating tile label alignment PR

        On the HISE script side of things I'm not sure I would want to pass it over to AI since I enjoy scripting and I think I could write it more quickly myself than back and forth with an AI. However I find writing laf can be tedious so the Ralph technique with that would be useful to me. I'd also find it useful for DSP/ScriptNode/Faust work.

        Okay, if this guy is in, I'm in.....

        HISE Development for hire.
        www.channelrobot.com

        1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
        • dannytaurusD
          dannytaurus @David Healey
          last edited by

          @David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

          Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)

          By Jove, I think he's got it!

          Meat Beats: https://meatbeats.com
          Klippr Video: https://klippr.video

          1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
          • LindonL
            Lindon @David Healey
            last edited by

            @David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

            Ok I think I'm seeing the benefit - I get to be lazy :)

            Relative include paths PR
            Relative font paths PR
            Custom Settings floating tile label alignment PR

            On the HISE script side of things I'm not sure I would want to pass it over to AI since I enjoy scripting and I think I could write it more quickly myself than back and forth with an AI. However I find writing laf can be tedious so the Ralph technique with that would be useful to me. I'd also find it useful for DSP/ScriptNode/Faust work.

            Well this is lovely stuff, but before I (and a bunch of other people) get into using this stuff I think we should all try and get on the same commit - and clearly one near the front....if not the latest....

            Maybe we should have a list of things we would like to see fixed before we all transition to a latest build and enter this all new Systems Architect world...

            So I cant do this until this bug is addressed:

            https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14165/latest-version-of-hise-breaks-existing-presets/40?_=1771154413502

            Is there a way for some Claude savvy person who might want to take a swing at getting it resolved?

            I'd do it my self but as you can see Im in the Catch 22 position: I cant fix it until Im on a latest build and I cant get on a latest build until its fixed....

            HISE Development for hire.
            www.channelrobot.com

            David HealeyD 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
            • David HealeyD
              David Healey @Lindon
              last edited by David Healey

              @Lindon said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

              try and get on the same commit - and clearly one near the front....if not the latest....

              I'm on the master branch now... by which I mean yesterday I reset the master branch of my fork to track the latest changes in my development branch. It's about time we got back to the master I think.

              @Lindon said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

              https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14165/latest-version-of-hise-breaks-existing-presets/40?_=1771154413502

              I too need this one fixing and I wouldn't feel confident using AI to fix it because I don't fully understand the problem myself at the code level and therefore I wouldn't be able to evaluate if the AI's output is good or bad beyond "it seems to work".

              With the PRs I made above I targetted relatively simple tasks that are not interwoven with multiple parts of the codebase.

              Free HISE Bootcamp Full Course for beginners.
              YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials
              My Patreon - HISE tutorials

              LindonL dannytaurusD 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 1
              • LindonL
                Lindon @David Healey
                last edited by

                @David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

                @Lindon said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

                https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14165/latest-version-of-hise-breaks-existing-presets/40?_=1771154413502

                I too need this one fixing and I wouldn't feel confident using AI to fix it because I don't fully understand the problem myself at the code level and therefore I wouldn't be able to evaluate if the AI's output is good or bad beyond "it seems to work".

                With the PRs I made above I targetted relatively simple tasks that are not interwoven with multiple parts of the codebase.

                OK this one looks like its a great candidate for @Christoph-Hart 's all new love affair with Claude and Ralf.... any chance?

                HISE Development for hire.
                www.channelrobot.com

                Christoph HartC 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                • Christoph HartC
                  Christoph Hart @Lindon
                  last edited by

                  @Lindon we will not let Ralph loose on the HISE source code in the foreseeable future (or ever) - any kind of architectural change I tried in the last weeks had me code review every single line of code multiple times. Plus the ralph loop needs a validator step where it can check if it‘s done, and what would that be for complex bugs in HISE?

                  But you guys raise an interesting an realistic opportunity that has arisen with AI: the time that it takes you to wait for me fixing trivial to easy bugs should be gone once we setup a workflow that somehow leverages this distinction. I‘m thinking of this flow of events: 1. user finds a bug. 2. user starts a verified and sophisticated analysis process that evaluates the severity and complexity of the problem. 3a. if the complexity is below a threshold to be defined, user launches an agent to fix it. 4. user confirms that the bug is fixed and then makes a pull request. I‘ll review all prs regularly and merge the ones that I approve, the other ones will be discussed or rejected. 3b) if the complexity is too high to confidently exclude any side effect that fix could introduce then the agent will create a thorough analysis of the problem that then can be passed on to me in a format that let‘s me easily review and think about a proper solution.

                  The „easy route“ has been verified to be working effectively with the fixes that Dan did 2 months ago, so I think we just need to setup a formalized procedure that you can follow that ensures that I‘m not bombarded with PRs that I need to reevaluate each time for side effects, etc

                  LindonL 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 2
                  • LindonL
                    Lindon @Christoph Hart
                    last edited by Lindon

                    @Christoph-Hart This sounds like a very good approach. But what about the issue that I think we all need to get on a HISE commit that we can use as a basis for this "new world order". Perhaps the bug I pointed at which seems to fit in 3b, would be a good test case for you to try this new approach?

                    HISE Development for hire.
                    www.channelrobot.com

                    Christoph HartC 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                    • Christoph HartC
                      Christoph Hart @Lindon
                      last edited by Christoph Hart

                      @Lindon let me cycle back and forth with claude about this idea, it‘s pretty good at „generalizing“ problems like this and come up with a formalized procedure. I can imagine that my terrible branch policy of stuffing everything in the develop branch might not survive this process ;)

                      I think what could help me is to look in the issues for open bugs and do a naive assessment yourself whether you would flag this as 3a or 3b, then just list them here. This could offer a valuable insight for the baseline of how much the analysis needs to do - if we agree there 100% of the time, then perfect, otherwise there needs to be some kind of AI assisted step.

                      LindonL 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                      • LindonL
                        Lindon @Christoph Hart
                        last edited by Lindon

                        @Christoph-Hart Ok let me head off to GitHub then, how do you want me to report back?

                        HISE Development for hire.
                        www.channelrobot.com

                        Christoph HartC 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                        • Christoph HartC
                          Christoph Hart @Lindon
                          last edited by

                          @Lindon yup, just post 10 issues or so with a assessment of whether you would expect the AI to be able to perfectly oneshot the fix.

                          You can be sneaky AF and include issues that you like to be resolved first in this list, this kind of training data poisoning is harmless and well deserved…

                          LindonL 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                          • LindonL
                            Lindon @Christoph Hart
                            last edited by

                            @Christoph-Hart said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

                            @Lindon yup, just post 10 issues or so with a assessment of whether you would expect the AI to be able to perfectly oneshot the fix.

                            You can be sneaky AF and include issues that you like to be resolved first in this list, this kind of training data poisoning is harmless and well deserved…

                            OK, well I'll def. include the one I care about most at the moment...

                            HISE Development for hire.
                            www.channelrobot.com

                            LindonL 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                            • LindonL
                              Lindon @Lindon
                              last edited by Lindon

                              OK here we go:

                              Easy-peasy one-shot Claude issues (perhaps):

                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/869
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/739
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/762
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/761
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/625
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/863
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/769

                              Woah, smart brain of good looking German man(who like musical theatre) required:

                              https://forum.hise.audio/topic/14165/latest-version-of-hise-breaks-existing-presets/40?_=1771154413502
                              ==== damn it I cant find the github issue number....possibly because there isnt one - so one of us is (to quote the Sex Pistols) a "Lazy Sod"...sorry

                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/868
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/867
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/782
                              https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/issues/713

                              HISE Development for hire.
                              www.channelrobot.com

                              Christoph HartC 1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                              • Christoph HartC
                                Christoph Hart @Lindon
                                last edited by

                                @Lindon yup good stuff, thanks. I'll try to explain Claude our plan, then give it this list of issues and let it categorize it into 3a or 3b without telling it your assessment. Then I'll do an assessment myself and we have three different evaluations per issue which should be a good enough "dataset" to distill a solution for step 2.

                                @David-Healey or anyone else reading this, you could also chime in with other findings of the bottomless pit of open issues from GH, the more assessments we have the better, it also expands the first column of the training data from Lindon's brain to a more generic "HISE developer" perspective - no pun intended Lindon :).

                                In the end we can also compare your assessments against mine and the AI suggestions and create a leaderboard in the who-can-take-over-if-I-get-hit-by-a-bus-category and a "who is actually a LLM disguised in a humanoid lifeform"-category...

                                dannytaurusD LindonL 2 Replies Last reply Reply Quote 1
                                • dannytaurusD
                                  dannytaurus @Christoph Hart
                                  last edited by

                                  @Christoph-Hart When I fixed those bugs, and added small features or enhancements, I went for stuff that [1] had small surface area, [2] I was familiar with the feature, and [3] had been mentioned recently.

                                  Bonus if there was a reproducible example included in the issue or a forum post.

                                  It also helped that a lot of them were useful for my current work. 😉

                                  If something started to get complex or far-reaching I backed off and moved on to another issue. If I recall, some of the ScriptNode bugs were like this.

                                  Meat Beats: https://meatbeats.com
                                  Klippr Video: https://klippr.video

                                  1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                  • dannytaurusD
                                    dannytaurus @David Healey
                                    last edited by

                                    @David-Healey said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

                                    It's about time we got back to the master I think.

                                    Agreed! 🙏

                                    Meat Beats: https://meatbeats.com
                                    Klippr Video: https://klippr.video

                                    1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                    • LindonL
                                      Lindon @Christoph Hart
                                      last edited by

                                      @Christoph-Hart said in HISE Transformation to the new age:

                                      "who is actually a LLM disguised in a humanoid lifeform"-category

                                      oh I hope Im this.....!!

                                      HISE Development for hire.
                                      www.channelrobot.com

                                      1 Reply Last reply Reply Quote 0
                                      • First post
                                        Last post

                                      19

                                      Online

                                      2.2k

                                      Users

                                      13.4k

                                      Topics

                                      116.6k

                                      Posts