Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?

Natan

Hey folks

As the title says, Do i need a M1 or M2 MacBook to compile New Mac friendly versions?

or with Macbook Air Intel we can go for Native silicon support?

any help and structure is appreciated

d.healey

@Natan You can use intel. You don't even need Apple hardware if you use virtual machines.

Natan

@d-healey Thank you sir David
I already own a Macbook Air i5

so what version of MacOs?
What Version of Xcode?

and any changes need to be applied for hise?

Appreciate your Help fine Sir🫶

Christoph Hart

@Natan You won't have an enjoyable time working on that old thing with HISE - the compilation times will be at least 5x as high as with the newest Apple silicon models.

As for Xcode / macOS, just use the latest one that runs on your hardware.

Natan

@Christoph-Hart Thanks Legend

I guess moving to M1 or M2 MacBook air will be a Better option.
My current setup kills me for compile and build

Christoph Hart

@Natan I recommend the Macbook Air M1 with 16GB and the fastest CPU option (10 core I think). It compiles HISE almost as fast as my 9900K desktop without a fan.

The performance increases of the M2 is rather incremental, but a Macbook Pro with the M1 Max might yield another 20%-30%. Unfortunately the Xcode linker is still single-threaded which means that 60% of the compilation workload has to be done by a single CPU which is the biggest slowdown.

hisefilo

@Natan Macbook Air M1 did the job for me. I’m on a M2 now but compiling time is quick enough for both systems.

Natan

Back to this Topic, Okay I Picked up an M2 Macbook Air, Just for Silicon Exporting,

I Have a few questions:

What XCODE Version do I Need?
Do I need XPertyy? (I don't know the name even LOL )
Are there any Additional Changes that I need to do in the project or Xcode Only for Mac Sillicon Exporting?

Cheers

orange

@Natan

It seems that currently the latest compatible XCode version is 14.3 and the macOS version is Ventura (for now) Sonoma needs XCode 15 and that XCode version gives errors while compiling
Yes you still need xcpretty
Just compile the HISE without IPP, the process is straightforward

DabDab

@orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

@Natan

It seems that currently the latest compatible XCode version is 14.3 and the macOS version is Ventura (for now) Sonoma needs XCode 15 and that XCode version gives errors while compiling

Yes you still need xcpretty

Just compile the HISE without IPP, the process is straightforward

I have a question...
If I compile plugins from old Catalina OSX, does not run on M1/M2 machine, right ? What OSX (latest) will it support ( Intel CPU) ?

orange

@DabDab said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

@orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

@Natan

It seems that currently the latest compatible XCode version is 14.3 and the macOS version is Ventura (for now) Sonoma needs XCode 15 and that XCode version gives errors while compiling

Yes you still need xcpretty

Just compile the HISE without IPP, the process is straightforward

I have a question...
If I compile plugins from old Catalina OSX, does not run on M1/M2 machine, right ? What OSX (latest) will it support ( Intel CPU) ?

You can compile universal binaries (intel + arm supported in one plugin) on intel machines too. Minimum requirement is XCode 12.2 and Catalina 10.15.4.

Building a Universal macOS Binary | Apple Developer Documentation

Create macOS apps and other executables that run natively on both Apple silicon and Intel-based Mac computers.

Apple Developer Documentation (developer.apple.com)

DabDab

@orange OK. That means if I make an AU (component ) or Mac VST3 plugins from Intel CPU & Catalina, will it run on mac Silicon and New OSX ?

d.healey

@DabDab Yes

orange

@DabDab said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

@orange OK. That means if I make an AU (component ) or Mac VST3 plugins from Intel CPU & Catalina, will it run on mac Silicon and New OSX ?

Yes, the plugin will work on Apple Silicon natively (no need for Rosetta).

The opposite is also possible. The plugin you compile as a universal binary on an Apple Silicon Mac will also work on Intel Mac too.

DabDab

@orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

@DabDab said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

@orange OK. That means if I make an AU (component ) or Mac VST3 plugins from Intel CPU & Catalina, will it run on mac Silicon and New OSX ?

Yes, the plugin will work on Apple Silicon natively (no need for Rosetta).

The opposite is also possible. The plugin you compile as a universal binary on an Apple Silicon Mac will also work on Intel Mac too.

Lovely. Thank you for the answer and clearing my doubts.