HISE plugins crasshing DAWs

[Oli Ullmann]

@HISEnberg
I had a similar problem. In my case, the triggers were changed() functions. To find the error, I had to deactivate all scripts and activate them again one after the other. As soon as I had found the faulty script, I went through it piece by piece and found and deleted the changed() functions that had apparently led to a loop. After that there were no more crashes.

I think I also had to deactivate “save in preset” for buttons that contained changed() functions in order to influence other buttons.

If you are not sure whether your HISE version is working properly, you could compile an empty plug-in and see whether this also causes your DAW to crash.

[HISEnberg]

@Oli-Ullmann Thanks! My example snippet above has no scripting functions, I was wondering if it was related to some scripts of mine but it doesn't seem to be the case here.

[d.healey]

What happens with a standalone build?

[HISEnberg]

@d-healey Same issue, immediate crash.

[HISEnberg]

And just to follow up, I am getting immediate crashes across several DAWs, and it doesn't seem to matter what type of project it is (Synth, Fx) or file type (VST, AU, Standalone).

A simple waveform generator project is behaving just the same, even with no ScriptNode networks.

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[d.healey]

@HISEnberg Does PluginVal offer any insight?

[HISEnberg]

@d-healey I have never used it but this seems like a good occasion to set it up. I don't see anything in the Terminal when compiling which can indicate any issues.

In the meantime I am going to go back to an older version of HISE (I need these projects ready in the next few weeks).

This may be a useful warning to any Mac users. I will test this out on Windows later to see if I experience the same issues.

[HISEnberg]

@d-healey PluginVal results, I don't see anything useful just yet:

pluginval v0.2.7 - JUCE v5.4.7
Started validating: /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/HiseDebug.component
Random seed: 0x721da5
Validation started: 22 Nov 2024 10:38:36am

Strictness level: 5
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Starting test: pluginval / Scan for known types: /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components/HiseDebug.component...

*** FAILED: VALIDATION CRASHED

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1   pluginval                           0x0000000100be9836 _ZN12_GLOBAL__N_119getCrashLogContentsEv + 38
2   pluginval                           0x0000000100be9624 _ZN12_GLOBAL__N_111handleCrashEPv + 20
3   pluginval                           0x0000000100c6a84d _ZN4juceL11handleCrashEi + 13
4   libsystem_platform.dylib            0x00007ff8014b3e9d _sigtramp + 29
5   ???                                 0x0000000109919380 0x0 + 4455502720
6   HiseDebug                           0x000000011365fcfc DemoProjectAUFactory + 7485244
7   HiseDebug                           0x000000011373eb39 DemoProjectAUFactory + 8398201
8   HiseDebug                           0x00000001134f44d6 DemoProjectAUFactory + 5996310
9   HiseDebug                           0x0000000113605017 DemoProjectAUFactory + 7113303
10  HiseDebug                           0x000000011300b46c DemoProjectAUFactory + 847532
11  HiseDebug                           0x000000011300b46c DemoProjectAUFactory + 847532
12  HiseDebug                           0x00000001130433ad DemoProjectAUFactory + 1076717
13  HiseDebug                           0x0000000113076f7a DemoProjectAUFactory + 1288634
14  HiseDebug                           0x00000001132867d0 DemoProjectAUFactory + 3449360
15  HiseDebug                           0x0000000112f2a8fb DemoProjectAUEntry + 8971
16  HiseDebug                           0x0000000112f3c64e DemoProjectAUFactory + 142
17  HiseDebug                           0x0000000112f464ab DemoProjectAUFactory + 40683
18  AudioToolboxCore                    0x00007ff8036a0f56 _ZN11APComponent11newInstanceEjbU13block_pointerFvP28OpaqueAudioComponentInstanceiE + 2270
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24  pluginval                           0x0000000100c0fae9 _ZN4juce17AudioPluginFormat29createInstanceFromDescriptionERKNS_17PluginDescriptionEdiRNS_6StringE + 297
25  pluginval                           0x0000000100c1c555 _ZN4juce21AudioUnitPluginFormat19findAllTypesForFileERNS_10OwnedArrayINS_17PluginDescriptionENS_20DummyCriticalSectionEEERKNS_6StringE + 261
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[d.healey]

@HISEnberg So the next thing is to recompile your project (and networks) as debug builds. Build the standalone version and run it in xcode and use xcode's debugging tools to try and find the source of the issue.

[HISEnberg]

Hmm the build succeeded at first, with a warning flag to update the mac deployment target from 10.13 to 15.

So i updated this in XCode and I started receiving this error:

/Users/ernest/HISE/JUCE/modules/juce_gui_basics/native/juce_mac_Windowing.mm:688:33 'CGWindowListCreateImage' is unavailable: obsoleted in macOS 15.0 - Please use ScreenCaptureKit instead.

So I checked the projucer and the macOS deployment target setting is defaulted to 10.13, however apparently the minimum supported version is 10.7

I will try to rebuild HISE from 10.7 to see what happens and will reply here with any updates. Thanks for the debugging tips @d-healey .

[d.healey]

@HISEnberg said in HISE plugins crasshing DAWs:

with a warning flag to update the mac deployment target from 10.13 to 15.

Ignore warnings.

[HISEnberg]

@d-healey thanks. Usually I do, but in this scenario the project builds, but the application still crashes when I open it. XCode isnt giving me any errors during the build process

[d.healey]

@HISEnberg said in HISE plugins crasshing DAWs:

but the application still crashes when I open it

Are you opening it within xcode's debugger?

[Morphoice]

@HISEnberg All plugins crash for me if scriptnode is involved. Everything I ever did only ever worked when the scriptfx is compiled into a DLL and then removed from the project and used as HardcodedFX.

[HISEnberg]

@Morphoice interesting! It shouldn't matter if it's scriptfx or hardcoded but I am going to try it.

@d-healey no I haven't done this before so I will try again

[Morphoice]

@HISEnberg I too thought it shouldn't matter, but it was only ever when I kicked the scriptfx node that anything started working at all after compilation... I'm not sure if this is how it's supposed to be but that's the workflow I adapted to get anything done for weeks now

[orange]

@HISEnberg Are you sure that it is macOS specific? What about Windows?

Might be related:

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[ulrik]

@HISEnberg said in HISE plugins crasshing DAWs:

So something is buggy, I will start going back a few commits but this very simple delay plugin is causing my DAWs to crash.

If someone is kind enough to take the time to compile this project and let me know their results I will appreciate it!

I compiled this project and I had no problems to load it in to Logic, Ableton Live or Reaper, on Mac OS

[HISEnberg]

@ulrik wonderful thank you very much @ulrik

[HISEnberg]

@d-healey Okay now I am running debug standalone builds in XCode and using the debugger. This is based off of the master branch of HISE. Here is what I am seeing:

/Users/.../HISE/JUCE/modules/juce_core/containers/juce_ArrayBase.h