Sends as FM source/carriers....

[Lindon]

OK so I'm doing some experiments....

Im trying to use the output from voice A (a sampler) as the carrier in Voice B(A loop Player). Im not sure the kind-of Sound Generators really matters but hey...

So I added a Send Effect into Voice A's FX chain....

I added a Send Container into Voice B's Syntesizer group, and called it TRY1 and put a stereo FX in there...(just for something to add in there...)

I went back to Voice A and pointed the Send Effect at TRY1, so at this point I should be getting the sound of Voice A added into Voice B(well probably replacing Voice B but hey....)

I went back to Voice B's syntesiser container and set the Carrier = AudioLoopPlayer and the Modulator = TRY1 and turned on FM

So in theory at this point Voice B should be being modulated by Voice A in some sort of FMish way....

But actually all that happens is HISE crashes.....

I know I'm probably breaking all the rules - but I'd really like a flexible FM routing system - and this is the way I tried ot implement it...but it fails badly, is there any way to do this? Anyone know?

[Lindon]

@Lindon

Ok well I can use Global Send and Global receive nodes in ScriptFX to route audio wherever I want - I think...

now all I need is a way to multiply the two signals together.... anyone?

[DanH]

@Lindon I think I tried this and had the same result a while back... Perhaps a Scriptnode Synth in the synth group could help with this?

[Lindon]

@DanH said in Sends as FM source/carriers....:

@Lindon I think I tried this and had the same result a while back... Perhaps a Scriptnode Synth in the synth group could help with this?

not sure I can see how that would help, perhaps we need a feature request - a script node to combine(multiply) two signals together...

[DanH]

@Lindon two audio signals? What happens if you have two global receivers?

[Lindon]

@DanH said in Sends as FM source/carriers....:

@Lindon two audio signals? What happens if you have two global receivers?

I end up with two audio signals and no way to multiply them together...

[Matt_SF]

@Lindon I barely tested it but did you try using the core.fm node?

[modularsamples]

@Lindon said in Sends as FM source/carriers....:

a script node to combine(multiply) two signals together...

This perhaps..

https://docs.hise.dev/scriptnode/list/control/blend.html

Wouldn't using the send/receive system be generating a monophonic signal? AFIAK your carrier would be getting the summed output of all active voices, rather than per note modulation.

[Lindon]

@modularsamples said in Sends as FM source/carriers....:

@Lindon said in Sends as FM source/carriers....:

a script node to combine(multiply) two signals together...

This perhaps..

https://docs.hise.dev/scriptnode/list/control/blend.html

Wouldn't using the send/receive system be generating a monophonic signal? AFIAK your carrier would be getting the summed output of all active voices, rather than per note modulation.

this is summing not multiplying I think...

[DanH]

@Lindon can you send a snippet of where you got to?

[Matt_SF]

@Lindon What about doing it like this :

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Just a quick example using the math.expr node

[Lindon]

@Matt_SF said in Sends as FM source/carriers....:

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yeah that might work...

[Matt_SF]

@Lindon but I thought of it a 2nd time and, wouldn't that be more AM than FM?

[Lindon]

@Matt_SF -yes I guess it would - its not running at audio rates anyway...

[ustk]

@Lindon I am right to add that FM is different than multiplying two signals together?

What would be nice would be to have a way to take a signal input in the fm node that can replace the default sine.
A long time I haven’t put my dirty hands in FM, so would it be better to improve the Synth module itself, or the FM node? (Just waiting for someone to say both )

[Lindon]

@ustk yes correct , and yes having a way t pass a signal (cable??) into the Synth module would be a great way to get there quickly...