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    • Dan KorneffD
      Dan Korneff
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      Taking a look under the hood to try and understand what the Mono FX option is doing.
      What's the idea behind having this if + else statement being the same here?
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      And what does line 98 and 99 do here?
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      • Dan KorneffD
        Dan Korneff
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        I created a 1 channel version of the HISE plugin... the exported AAX shows up as a mono plug in Protools!

        Dan Korneff - Producer / Mixer / Audio Nerd

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart
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          Great news. Does it work in Logic (or whatever DAW was also not working correctly)?

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          • orangeO
            orange @Dan Korneff
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            @dustbro Great news. and great idea, congrats!! I hope this is the solution. If you want, you can send the mono plugins that you've compiled and we can test it on different systems too. I can test on both PC/MAC - Pro Tools / Logic Pro X 10.2 / Ableton ...etc

            develop Branch / XCode 13.1
            macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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            • Dan KorneffD
              Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
              last edited by Dan Korneff

              @Christoph-Hart I actually have some strange news... While using the standalone version, I'm able to create mono compatible AAX plugins by changing the routing in the master container to 1 channel, then back to 2. Gonna do some more testing to see exactly what's causing this. I haven't tested in Logic yet. just pt
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              @orange Can you try this with your rig and let me know if it works?

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              • orangeO
                orange @Dan Korneff
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                @dustbro How did you compile 1 channel version of Hise? Only from JUCE interface or did you modify any code?

                develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                • Dan KorneffD
                  Dan Korneff @orange
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                  @orange
                  In the projucer
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                  • orangeO
                    orange @Dan Korneff
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                    @dustbro Ok, so after compiling it, in HISE, you made the routing of the master container 1 to 1, that's it right?

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                    • Dan KorneffD
                      Dan Korneff @orange
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                      @orange yes

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                      • Dan KorneffD
                        Dan Korneff @orange
                        last edited by

                        @orange but I was also able to do it with the standalone version just by changing the routing and then changing it back. No need to tweak with projuicer

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                        • orangeO
                          orange
                          last edited by orange

                          @Christoph-Hart I think the only reason for this mono plugin problem is; there is a misunderstanding for that.
                          Stereo plugins shouldn't be at the same time mono compatible. HISE trying to make a stereo plugin mono compatible. Maybe that's why it is hard to do it.

                          For mono plugins, HISE should create a different mono channel plugin, that uses only one channel (1 in - 1 out) like @dustbro had manually compiled HISE.

                          All of the fx plugin companies are making separted mono VST2, AU, AAX plugins with stereo versions. In only VST3, an fx plugin is able to compatible with mono tracks at the same time, but in VST2, AU and AAX mono version should be compiled individually.

                          So maybe HISE can compile a stereo plugin with only one channel and create a seperate plugin with stereo version. Just simulating like @dustbro manually did. So all of the versions will be double (mono & stereo) is it possible?

                          develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                          macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                          • lalalandsynthL
                            lalalandsynth
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                            @orange said in Mono versions of FX Plugins?:

                            maybe HISE can compile a stereo plugin with only one channel and create a seperate plugin with stereo version. Just simulating like @dustbro manually did. So all of the versions will be double (mono & stereo) is it possible?

                            Has this been resolved , I am assuming I will have to make mono versions of my fx plugins for compatibility ?

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                              Crystal Audio @lalalandsynth
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                              @lalalandsynth said in Mono versions of FX Plugins?:

                              @orange said in Mono versions of FX Plugins?:

                              maybe HISE can compile a stereo plugin with only one channel and create a seperate plugin with stereo version. Just simulating like @dustbro manually did. So all of the versions will be double (mono & stereo) is it possible?

                              Has this been resolved , I am assuming I will have to make mono versions of my fx plugins for compatibility ?

                              If you look in Preferences there should be a box you can tick to enable mono compatibility.

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                              • lalalandsynthL
                                lalalandsynth @Crystal Audio
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                                @Crystal-Audio Great ! Thanks !

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                                • NatanN
                                  Natan @orange
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                                  @orange said in Mono versions of FX Plugins?:

                                  @d-healey In some DAWs (such as Pro Tools, Logic Audio...etc) you can't insert a stereo out fx plugin on a mono channel directly.

                                  Your plugin even will not be on the plugin list on a mono channel's insert slot, and you can't use your stereo out fx plugin. You must route this mono channel into a stereo bus, then after doing that you will be able to see & use your stereo out fx plugin. You can try it yourself with a HISE exported fx plugin in Logic Pro X...

                                  That's why, fx plugin manufacturers allways include mono versions of their plugins as much as stereo versions. (Just look Waves, UAD..etc)

                                  @orange Is this Solved using the support Mono Fx?
                                  I read somewhere that you Confirmed That Just Ticking That Flag on Will do the Job...
                                  Thanks For advice 👏

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                                  • hisefiloH
                                    hisefilo @orange
                                    last edited by

                                    @orange Hi mate! How are you handling this nowadays? I checked the "Support Mono" but Logic still not seeing the plugins in mono channels. Any tip?

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                                    • orangeO
                                      orange @hisefilo
                                      last edited by

                                      @hisefilo Hi mate.

                                      Support Mono FX works for FX plugins here.

                                      Have you enabled Force Stereo Output? If yes, this may affect the output to stereo.

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                                      macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                                      • hisefiloH
                                        hisefilo @orange
                                        last edited by hisefilo

                                        @orange Well! Finally working. Previous channel configuration of the plugin was cached by Logic Pro X somewhere (no AudioUnitsCache, nor preferences, nothing that I can find)
                                        Changing the plugin name makes it work in Stereo/Dual mono as expected. Thanks mate!
                                        BTW Faust working like a charm in this configuration. (I was expecting stereo Faust .dlls to do something weird in mono plugins)

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                                        • LindonL
                                          Lindon @hisefilo
                                          last edited by

                                          OKay so I have a client who wants a plugin in mono to work in Logic and PrFools.... can anyone point me in the (currently) right direction for getting this going?

                                          I have a preferences set up like this:

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                                          and a routing like this:

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                                          Do I have to manually change this to something like:

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                                          Or should just renaming and recompiling the plugin work - 'cause I've tried that and its not working for me/him in ProFools....

                                          Any directional help appreciated....

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                                          • Christoph HartC
                                            Christoph Hart @Lindon
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                                            @Lindon you shouldn't have to rename the plugin - it uses the same plugin binary and should detect the channel count automatically.

                                            You don't need to reroute anything, I think it will just call process with an empty right channel.

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