Something is wrong with colour blending when opacity is involved

d.healey

@tomekslesicki I still don't understand what you're trying to do. Could you provide an image that shows how you want the end result?

tomekslesicki

@d-healey ok, the idea is:

there's a panel that contains some controls: buttons, sliders, whatever
when a button is clicked, I want to make the panel look as though it was semi-transparent

An equivalent of this in any graphics app would be:

there's a background and a group of layers
when a button is pressed, the opacity of the group of layers is changed to 50% or so.

A while ago @Christoph-Hart suggested that if the background is solid (it is), I can achieve the same look by overlying a semi-transparent block of solid colour over the sliders. This is true, because the same look can be achieved like this:

the background has a solid colour
there's a panel put on top of the sliders: the panel has the same colour as the background but opacity of 50%
so if the panel is on top of the sliders, they look as though they were 50%

This is good BUT the problem is that the colours are changing when one of the panels has an opacity other than 1. So if I overlay a panel that has the same colour as the background but an opacity of a value that's not 1, HISE renders it as a different colour, even though it should render as the same colour of the background because in any other graphics app, if you:

have a background of one colour
put a layer of the same colour on top and set it's opacity to 50%
the result is still the same colour - they look as one solid block

Does that make sense now?

Now, the strange this is: if I'll use a .png that looks like one solid block of colour and change the opacity of that, it renders correctly. Hence the bug report.

tomekslesicki

@Christoph-Hart I just tested on Windows and the results are the same so I guess it’s not mac-related after all.

d.healey

@tomekslesicki I'm not seeing a change in colour, I just see the opacity stacking up as you overlay one on top of the other.

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Will you be using LAF to draw your controls?

DanH

@d-healey I might have understood this wrong but can’t you simply hide the solid coloured panel and show a 50% opacity panel when you click the button?

Matt_SF

@tomekslesicki this way works :

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Just change the hex alpha value of the backgroundgrey "manually"

d.healey

@Matt_SF I don't see a difference.

@tomekslesicki's is on the left, yours is on the right

Matt_SF

@d-healey ah, that's odd... here's what I get

tomekslesicki

Thanks guys, I'm getting the same problem with Matt's snippet, unfortunately.

@d-healey maybe you're right about the opacity stack, but then if 1 is 100%, isn't it a bug that if a semi-transparent layer is overlayed on top of a layer that already is fully visible, the opacity can go above 100%?

d.healey

@tomekslesicki Yes it does seem a little strange

Christoph Hart

Alright, either my monitor is not calibrated correctly or I'm getting blind, but I don't see any difference and this entire topic looks like a big prank to me :)

Can somebody make a clear example that shows the difference like night and day type (and not a colour that is 0xFF292929 but should be 0xFF292928.

tomekslesicki

@Christoph-Hart it's not about night and day, it's just that if it's about creating an impression of a half-opaque panel with controls, it doesn't look good if there's suddenly a rectangle overlaid on top of the panel.

Christoph Hart

@tomekslesicki But where is the rectangle? I don't see a rectangle.

d.healey

@Christoph-Hart

But where is the rectangle? I don't see a rectangle.

Must be a monitor (or eyeball) setting issue :p the rectangle is subtle. I'll see if I can make a clearer example.

d.healey

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d.healey

Ok here's something interesting.

Alpha values

0.1 = No rectangle
0.2 = No rectangle
0.3 = Rectangle
0.4 = No rectangle
0.5 = Rectangle
0.6 = No rectangle @tomekslesicki Maybe just use this value
0.7 = Rectangle
0.8 = No rectangle
0.9 = Rectangle

Here I have taken the same snippet as before and adjusted the contrast in an image editor

tomekslesicki

@d-healey thanks, David, you're way better at explaining things than I am!

Christoph Hart

@tomekslesicki Ah finally - actually I think that the PNG compression of the screenshot makes the differences even more subtle, but now I have finally proof that you aren't executing an elaborated prank :)

Alright, the minimal use case to demonstrate this issue is:

const var Background = Content.getComponent("Background");

const var backgroundgrey = 0xFF333333;

Background.setPaintRoutine(function(g)
{
	g.fillAll(backgroundgrey);
	g.setColour(Colours.withAlpha(backgroundgrey, 0.6));
	g.fillRect(this.getLocalBounds(50));
});

I've deliberately used a pure grey in order to rule out rounding errors. For me, 0.6 creates the most visible rectangle. Curiously, in a raw JUCE component, it doesn't show that rectangle, so I'll try to check where the error comes from.

Christoph Hart

Curiously, in a raw JUCE component, it doesn't show that rectangle

Nope, my weak eyes struck again, it's actually the same when using raw JUCE.

auto grey = Colour(0xFF333333);

g.fillAll(grey);
g.setColour(grey.withAlpha(0.6f));
g.fillRect(getLocalBounds().reduced(50));

Also shows up that box. Now it gets complicated :)

Christoph Hart

I've posted it in the JUCE forum, let's see how it goes.

https://forum.juce.com/t/subtle-colour-error/52177

I wouldn't hold my breath that there is an easy solution for this though...

Something is wrong with colour blending when opacity is involved

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