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    • LindonL
      Lindon @d.healey
      last edited by Lindon

      @d-healey hmm, not supposed to be able to do that...apparently...tho maybe theres a difference between unsigned and broken signed...

      HISE Development for hire.
      www.channelrobot.com

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      • DanHD
        DanH @Lindon
        last edited by

        @lindon Is it not just an AU thing? i.e Logic is the only DAW which checks the signature

        DHPlugins / DC Breaks | Artist / Producer / DJ / Developer
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        London, UK

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        • LindonL
          Lindon @DanH
          last edited by

          @danh my understanding is that all DAWs are required to check the plugin is signed correctly...

          HISE Development for hire.
          www.channelrobot.com

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          • hisefiloH
            hisefilo @ustk
            last edited by

            @ustk said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

            Except for AAX since they are protected against binary alteration.

            I'm just wondering if vst3 have this protection too.
            Many games have this protection. If u alter the binary, it gets corrupted

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            • hisefiloH
              hisefilo @d.healey
              last edited by

              This is how they see our work

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              I'll give it a try

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              • d.healeyD
                d.healey
                last edited by

                Here's an idea :D

                What about if HISE could generate a hash of the binary and that hash could be uploaded to the server along with the authentication details or request for download links (whatever server thing you do). If the binary has been adjusted by a cracker the hash would be invalid and the server would refuse to authenticate the request.

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                • hisefiloH
                  hisefilo @d.healey
                  last edited by

                  @d-healey looks good to me! Many games I I believe are using this method today.

                  Despite this, I believe vst/audio software licensing model will change soon.

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                  • d.healeyD
                    d.healey @hisefilo
                    last edited by

                    @hisefilo said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

                    I believe vst/audio software licensing model will change soon.

                    Tell me more...

                    Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
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                    • hisefiloH
                      hisefilo @d.healey
                      last edited by

                      @d-healey well I'm fairly new on the market but I think Output model. SoundPaints, Splice, etc are in the right direction. But I think something more radical should come. At the point cracking a vst becomes more difficult than paying a super low fee. Steam is a good example

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                      • orangeO
                        orange @hisefilo
                        last edited by orange

                        @hisefilo said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

                        But I think something more radical should come.

                        I've talked a lot of industry professionals and all of them thinks like that, and I think the same too.

                        Audio plugin industry will go something like "all in one" place. So samples, presets, plugins, tutorial courses...etc. all of the stuff will be under a subscription based modeling with a very very low recurring fee.

                        Steam model in Gaming industry will come to audio insdustry too. So people won't pay to expensive computers. They will connect to the internet and use the audio software directly from the internet. I think all of these will come around max. 10 years, maybe much more soon.

                        This shit makes individual small player's job very hard or impossible to stand out. But Big or United players will be the winners of course.

                        develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                        macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                        • Dan KorneffD
                          Dan Korneff
                          last edited by

                          Just wanted to follow up with this thread.
                          I decided to give Tracksaur a try over the past couple month, and it's worked out well.
                          They've successfully taken down links from all the major file sharing sites and continuously monitor for new uploads.
                          Two thumbs up for $100/month.
                          https://tracksaur.com/

                          Dan Korneff - Producer / Mixer / Audio Nerd

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                          • d.healeyD
                            d.healey @Dan Korneff
                            last edited by

                            @dustbro I constantly hear good things about them. Do you think they are increasing your profits more than they are costing you?

                            My cynical mind thinks if I was a pest exterminator I would go around sneakily infesting restaurants with cockroaches ;)

                            Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                            My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                            YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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                            • pluginboiP
                              pluginboi
                              last edited by

                              Hey Guys!

                              After seeing this thread I wanted to try and make a simple trial version for plugins and came up with this.

                              I know its not the most secure as mentioned in the posts above but here is a really simple 14 day plugin trial script using getSystemTime and storing an end date for the trial using dumpAsJson

                              Could be used for anyone not wanting to do the "mutes every 30 sec" approach

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                              • DabDabD
                                DabDab @pluginboi
                                last edited by

                                @pluginboi said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

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                                Nice.. Can't be cracked easily? I mean,
                                anyone who knows, can easily modify

                                {
                                  "enddate": 738072
                                }
                                

                                or System date adjustment can increase Trial validity

                                Right?

                                Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                                • Dan KorneffD
                                  Dan Korneff @d.healey
                                  last edited by

                                  @d-healey It's hard to tell due to year-end sales. I'll have a better idea by the end of January.

                                  Dan Korneff - Producer / Mixer / Audio Nerd

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                                  • Casey KolbC
                                    Casey Kolb @Dan Korneff
                                    last edited by

                                    @dustbro At long last CUBE has been cracked! I was honestly expecting it to be quicker, but Tracksaur reached out to us yesterday because they noticed CUBE everywhere (albeit a much older version and only for Windows).

                                    Are you still enjoying working with Tracksaur? I'm always a bit skeptical of those services.

                                    Casey Kolb
                                    Founder & CEO of Lunacy Audio
                                    Composer | Producer | Software Developer

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                                      yall @Casey Kolb
                                      last edited by

                                      for a demo version I tried something super simple and very annoying for the testers... I put a noise every minute of 2 seconds. I created a label called "license". in the callback of this label I put: if value = xxxxxxx or xxxx or xxxww ... if the user enters the correct number xxxxx, the noise stops :) there is no .js file which means that the user cannot theoretically delete the app data folder and take advantage of the 10 days of trials. if you don't have a server or if it's too complicated to communicate hise for you, the label solution is wonderful ^^ and very simple for homemade :)

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                                        crd @yall
                                        last edited by

                                        I'm surprised people are cracking software instruments with huge sample libraries... It seems like people who want that type of content would be the type of person who would pay for the instrument. I always associate cracked software with quick downloads like simple effects rather than libraries with 5+ gigs of content.

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                                        • Dan KorneffD
                                          Dan Korneff @Casey Kolb
                                          last edited by

                                          @Casey-Kolb they have been successful at removing file sharing links for me. Highly recommended.

                                          Dan Korneff - Producer / Mixer / Audio Nerd

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                                          • orangeO
                                            orange @Casey Kolb
                                            last edited by orange

                                            @Casey-Kolb I haven't used Tracksaur yet but I've heard good things about them.

                                            Regarding the cracking, according to my experience I am 100% sure that the hackers can see the source code of the plugins clearly. They can do it very quickly with decompiling the plugin (it requires deep programming skills) and then read the source code and find an optimum way to crack.

                                            develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                                            macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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