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    • hisefiloH
      hisefilo @Lindon
      last edited by

      @Lindon don't let the crackers crack your spirit. There's no uncrackable software. And there's a lot of examples of companies that were cracked a alot, and they are successful. I.e. Microsoft, UAD, Adobe, Steinberg.... And list goes to the infinit

      So..... If you were cracked.... You are in the right track... Trust me

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      • d.healeyD
        d.healey @hisefilo
        last edited by

        @hisefilo said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

        There's no uncrackable software

        My software is uncrackable ;)

        Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
        My Patreon - HISE tutorials
        YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart @d.healey
          last edited by

          @d-healey because your passwords are the best passwords.

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          • hisefiloH
            hisefilo @d.healey
            last edited by

            @d-healey I have to confess I uploaded my first ever made plugin to the torrent by myself

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            • orangeO
              orange @d.healey
              last edited by orange

              @d-healey said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

              My software is uncrackable ;)

              What is the reason? 🙂

              develop Branch / XCode 13.1
              macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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              • d.healeyD
                d.healey @orange
                last edited by

                @orange If there is no lock there is nothing to unlock.

                Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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                • DabDabD
                  DabDab
                  last edited by

                  @hisefilo said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

                  So..... If you were cracked.... You are in the right track... Trust me

                  I agree with @Natan and @hisefilo.
                  If R2R or whatever can crack big companies, they can not Hack them back? Or ruin the entity of Hackers or warez ? No, Big companies like the popularity or they have a solid rapport with the Crackers.
                  Image Line for example released 20.8.3 after few months it got cracked and they released 20.8.4 (which is un-cracked till now). ImageLine uses same .Reg file registration system. Then why 20.8.4 is not cracked? Because they are waiting for 20.8.5 version. When it will be released they will release 20.8.4 to the pirated world.
                  Imagine a company makes very good plugins (suddenly without his concern) if he gets hacked then his popularity to pirated users get increased. Lot of musicians only rely on cracked plugins. Even AVICII or Martin Garix used cracked one. For them new cracked plugins is a new name. It certainly boosts the recognition. Without crack Sylenth would have not been Sylenth same true for Nexus, Spire, Dune, Spectrasonics, Dune,NI etc.etc.

                  It is true R2R don't crack useless plugins. They only target good one.

                  Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                  • DabDabD
                    DabDab @orange
                    last edited by DabDab

                    @hisefilo

                    I have to confess I uploaded my first ever made plugin to the torrent by myself

                    Are you checking seeding and P2P connection ? ;) 🤣

                    Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                    • DabDabD
                      DabDab @d.healey
                      last edited by DabDab

                      @d-healey

                      If there is no lock there is nothing to unlock.

                      Then your product may come as Retail version or under Corporate License products ;)

                      Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                      • d.healeyD
                        d.healey
                        last edited by

                        Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                        My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                        YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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                        • hisefiloH
                          hisefilo @d.healey
                          last edited by

                          @d-healey where is the link for downloading it?? I need a copy

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                          • B
                            BWSounds
                            last edited by BWSounds

                            How I handle my plugins being cracked:

                            1. I check audioz(few other popular sites) if I see a big spike in traffic (seems everything starts here)
                            2. email them if my product is posted(they remove in 24-48hrs)
                            3. remove the links via the storage site(uploaded, rapid, etc.)
                              --This is important since most sites use the same links.
                            4. From my google dashboard remove all google searchable links
                              --So they dont appear on a google search.
                            5. I also check the storage links on all sites that popped up on google search and send DMCA to the pirated site as well.

                            Sometimes i'd have what seems like 50-150 sites to go through but only a hand full of them generating real visitors or using unique storage links.

                            in my case I always seen a boost in sales, but after about 3-5 days all links are down and no longer showing up on google.

                            I also use tags like free download, free cracked plugin etc. on my site so when ppl do search for cracked versions my official site always pops up.

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                            • UD AUDIOU
                              UD AUDIO
                              last edited by UD AUDIO

                              To me it is free promo. Just imagine someone does see a link to a pirated version and he goes to your site to buy it because of trust etc.
                              What do you think about donationware as solution? I think any digital product should be donationware but maybe it's not the best way.

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                              • NatanN
                                Natan @UD AUDIO
                                last edited by

                                @UD-AUDIO "Donation Ware" and "PayWhat you Want"
                                Both sounds Cheap To me.
                                Release it As Free For X Hours Or Release it As Upsell I Mean Buy One And get This/That Free.

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                                • d.healeyD
                                  d.healey @UD AUDIO
                                  last edited by d.healey

                                  @UD-AUDIO said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

                                  Just imagine someone does see a link to a pirated version and he goes to your site to buy it because of trust

                                  Doesn't generally happen. If someone is going to buy it they wouldn't be browsing a "pirate" site. Customers and copyright infringers are seldom the same individuals.

                                  What do you think about donationware as solution?

                                  A solution to what? How would this help?

                                  I think any digital product should be donationware

                                  Why?

                                  Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                                  My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                                  YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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                                  • NatanN
                                    Natan @d.healey
                                    last edited by

                                    @d-healey said in How to make Trial Plugins for 10 days:

                                    @UD-AUDIO said in [How to make Trial Plugins for 10 > > I think any digital product should be donationware

                                    Why?

                                    🤣🤣🤣🤣
                                    That Sounds Like A Charity 🤣🤣🤣

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                                    • UD AUDIOU
                                      UD AUDIO @d.healey
                                      last edited by UD AUDIO

                                      @d-healey I am in telegram groups and discord servers where many people are sharing links to pirate version.
                                      I don't click those links but sometimes it tells me there is something new.

                                      Just want to know what you think about donationware in terms of plugins.

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                                      • UD AUDIOU
                                        UD AUDIO @d.healey
                                        last edited by UD AUDIO

                                        @d-healey I think any digital product should be donationware because anyone can use it and more people would use it in my theory. I know that a lot of people wouldn't donate and some might think it's crap because quality must be expensive. This might not pay all your bills but I think it's not a bad system.
                                        I don't make plugins only for people who can afford it. And the worst system to me is the subscription model like "output arcade". I never would pay for that.

                                        In my opinion, money blocks human evolution because of how knowledge is shared and how it could be shared.. So I would make anything free but we have to pay bills etc so donations are a compromise.

                                        ...Oh what I mean is pay-what-you-want, not donations!

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                                        • UD AUDIOU
                                          UD AUDIO @Natan
                                          last edited by

                                          @natan You say it sounds cheap to you. But what if I make pay-what-you-want software with a $ 1000+ button? :P

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                                          • LindonL
                                            Lindon
                                            last edited by

                                            OK so after some investigation and thinking its clear there is only one(unless anyone else can think of one) system that generally defeats the pirates, and that utilizes both server calls and as part of those calls a public key system of one sort or another.

                                            So I would like to propose HISE adopts one or other of the public key systems, that is also implemented in most common server languages.

                                            Here is how it think it would work:

                                            -- The plugin starts and requests (or reads from disk) the user ID...
                                            -- the plugin calls the server with the following details:
                                            --- User ID (email address)
                                            --- plugin ID
                                            --- Machine ID
                                            --- challenge key

                                            So here the challenge key is a simple past of a challenge /response pair(there could be say 500 in the plugin that it can choose from), it doesn't matter is these are "publicly known" as we will see...these are only really used to vary the messages being returned.

                                            The server checks the user ID and plugin ID to make sure its a valid user...
                                            It checks the frequency of calls about this plug-in and user ID (if too many too often then it invalidates the account - the man-in-the-middle defence)
                                            if the Machine ID is not one of (say) 5 held for the customer then it invalidates the plug-in

                                            • if the plugin is valid it looks up the response for the challenge it has received.

                                            The plugin forms a return message:
                                            --- plugin status
                                            --- response code

                                            The server encrypts the return message using its private key... and sends the plugin the message

                                            The plugin decrypts the return message using the public key (ensuring its not from a fake server) and acts accordingly...

                                            Anyone think of a way around this? Or a better way of doing it?

                                            HISE Development for hire.
                                            www.channelrobot.com

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