MIDI FX ?

[narrsam]

Hi,

Can Hise be used to make MIDI FX VST plugins?

In other words, take MIDI input data> manipulate it > generate MIDI output data to be received by the next plugin in a stack (picturing a DAW fx stack scenario).

I noticed that there is only MIDI-in configuration in Hise's preferences, which suggests that it does not produce any MIDI output.

If this is the case, please add that to the feature requests.

Thanks,
Sam

[ustk]

I think it is already possible to do anything via Midi in Hise as long as you can program it... But I don't think Midi can be reflected at the output, at least at the moment...

[d.healey]

I don't think MIDI input has been implemented yet for HISE FX, but it should be possible in the future now that VST3 export has been added.

[narrsam]

Well, I tried messing around with the Juce framework to see if I can do it from there, and it turned out to be a hassle over there too. Somebody posted a workaround in the Juce forum that seemed to me over-complicated that it beat's the purpose of using a framework in the first place. Therefor I don't think it's going to be implemented in Hise anytime soon, since Hise is built over Juce.

I'm trying to look around for some kind of a framework that deals specifically with midi to produce a midi insert/plugin that can be used in an fx chain, the only thing I could find is the MFX format used by cakewalk which seems to be old and not supported by modern DAWs.

This looks a bit strange to me as I thought that would be a highly requested functionality!

Any suggestions?

[Lindon]

@narrsam Kontakt and KSP will do this for you.... but its a big product for a small task.

Add my vote to the "please can we have MIDI out" feature request

[Win Conway]

@d-healey VST3 has nothing to do with it, most MIDI VST are VST2, so must just be a HISE issue.

[narrsam]

@Lindon I up-vote your up-vote of my vote!

Kontakt... ahhh, well... my whole point of investigating Hise is to avoid working with it in the first place!

I know you can generate MIDI events with KSP to be used internally (Hise can do that even better), but I'm not sure you can broadcast them out of Kontakt which is my goal (a free standing MIDI processing VST)
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I don't want to bash the Kontakt thing as it's obviously being used to produce some amazing instruments... but from an amateur developer's point of view -IMHO- the thing is just horrible!

• The interface is so cluttered you need a GPS to find your way inside it
• Not so very well documented
• The scripting language is awful! Cave man era syntax, you have to declare your GUI in the same script as your program's logic, only 5 script slots which tends to make your script a mile long and a nightmare to debug/maintain if you are to do anything descent, and the fact that the slots can't speak to each other unless you use some mambo-jumbo special variables drives me nuts!

(Well... seems like I bashed the thing already :p)

I think Hise is a much smarter design, and although it's still in its infancy, I can see its potentials surpassing Kontakt by leaps.

[narrsam]

@Win-Conway said in MIDI FX ?:

@d-healey VST3 has nothing to do with it, most MIDI VST are VST2, so must just be a HISE issue.

I agree, a VST can certainly provide MIDI outputs, it's the fact that frameworks like JUCE or HISE just don't seem to consider it as a needed feature so it's somehow neglected.

After fiddling around a bit more with JUCE I stand corrected; its seems to me that you can make a VST plugin with it that outputs MIDI, it's just that it's not well documented (there is no example for a "MIDI" VST and just one example of a standalone that outputs MIDI and its broken!).

I think I'm going with JUCE right now although it means that I have to learn C++, a thing I have been avoiding for years :(

I would love to stay within HISE's friendly environment though... please @Christoph-Hart ... make that happen!

[Lindon]

@narrsam

"I know you can generate MIDI events with KSP to be used internally (Hise can do that even better), but I'm not sure you can broadcast them out of Kontakt which is my goal (a free standing MIDI processing VST)"

-- yup not a problem in Kontakt - all generated events (play_note etc.) can be "output to the world"

options/Engine/Send MIDI to outside world

But that's enough about Kontakt - other than to say - it'd be nice to do this in HISE...

[Christoph Hart]

Alright guys, more than 6 upvotes and I‘ll look into it ;)

[d.healey]

@Christoph-Hart I like this new system of democracy :)

[Lindon]

@d-healey I only like it if I get what I want. :-)

[narrsam]

@Lindon Damn! ... I so badly wanted you to be wrong... but ... enough already ... @Christoph-Hart just make it happen svp :)

[Lindon]

@narrsam if you hang about long enough i PROMISE you that you will get your opportunity to see me being wrong about something...

[Christoph Hart]

Alright, we're live:

- added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

The open source framework for sample based instruments - - added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

GitHub (github.com)

I didn't test it properly though (just checking at JUCE plugin host and REAPER), so let me know if any hosts behave funky.

[d.healey]

@Christoph-Hart Oh an early Christmas present! Thank you! Does this mean we have MIDI out API commands? Is this VST3 only or does VST2 support it?

[orange]

@Christoph-Hart said in MIDI FX ?:

Alright, we're live:

- added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

The open source framework for sample based instruments - - added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

GitHub (github.com)

I didn't test it properly though (just checking at JUCE plugin host and REAPER), so let me know if any hosts behave funky.

@Christoph-Hart Awesome, thank you!

[Lindon]

@Christoph-Hart what Dave says -- thanks a lot. API documentation (even scratchy and vague..)?

[SteveRiggs]

@Christoph-Hart Sweet! Nice one Christoph

[LeeC]

Anybody had a chance to take a deep dive into this yet?