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      narrsam
      last edited by narrsam

      Well, I tried messing around with the Juce framework to see if I can do it from there, and it turned out to be a hassle over there too. Somebody posted a workaround in the Juce forum that seemed to me over-complicated that it beat's the purpose of using a framework in the first place. Therefor I don't think it's going to be implemented in Hise anytime soon, since Hise is built over Juce.

      I'm trying to look around for some kind of a framework that deals specifically with midi to produce a midi insert/plugin that can be used in an fx chain, the only thing I could find is the MFX format used by cakewalk which seems to be old and not supported by modern DAWs.

      This looks a bit strange to me as I thought that would be a highly requested functionality!

      Any suggestions?

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        Lindon @narrsam
        last edited by

        @narrsam Kontakt and KSP will do this for you.... but its a big product for a small task.

        Add my vote to the "please can we have MIDI out" feature request

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          Win Conway @d.healey
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          @d-healey VST3 has nothing to do with it, most MIDI VST are VST2, so must just be a HISE issue.

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            narrsam @Lindon
            last edited by narrsam

            @Lindon I up-vote your up-vote of my vote!

            Kontakt... ahhh, well... my whole point of investigating Hise is to avoid working with it in the first place!

            I know you can generate MIDI events with KSP to be used internally (Hise can do that even better), but I'm not sure you can broadcast them out of Kontakt which is my goal (a free standing MIDI processing VST)
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            I don't want to bash the Kontakt thing as it's obviously being used to produce some amazing instruments... but from an amateur developer's point of view -IMHO- the thing is just horrible!

            • The interface is so cluttered you need a GPS to find your way inside it
            • Not so very well documented
            • The scripting language is awful! Cave man era syntax, you have to declare your GUI in the same script as your program's logic, only 5 script slots which tends to make your script a mile long and a nightmare to debug/maintain if you are to do anything descent, and the fact that the slots can't speak to each other unless you use some mambo-jumbo special variables drives me nuts!

            (Well... seems like I bashed the thing already :p)

            I think Hise is a much smarter design, and although it's still in its infancy, I can see its potentials surpassing Kontakt by leaps.

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              narrsam @Win Conway
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              @Win-Conway said in MIDI FX ?:

              @d-healey VST3 has nothing to do with it, most MIDI VST are VST2, so must just be a HISE issue.

              I agree, a VST can certainly provide MIDI outputs, it's the fact that frameworks like JUCE or HISE just don't seem to consider it as a needed feature so it's somehow neglected.

              After fiddling around a bit more with JUCE I stand corrected; its seems to me that you can make a VST plugin with it that outputs MIDI, it's just that it's not well documented (there is no example for a "MIDI" VST and just one example of a standalone that outputs MIDI and its broken!).

              I think I'm going with JUCE right now although it means that I have to learn C++, a thing I have been avoiding for years :(

              I would love to stay within HISE's friendly environment though... please @Christoph-Hart ... make that happen!

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                Lindon @narrsam
                last edited by

                @narrsam

                "I know you can generate MIDI events with KSP to be used internally (Hise can do that even better), but I'm not sure you can broadcast them out of Kontakt which is my goal (a free standing MIDI processing VST)"

                -- yup not a problem in Kontakt - all generated events (play_note etc.) can be "output to the world"

                options/Engine/Send MIDI to outside world

                But that's enough about Kontakt - other than to say - it'd be nice to do this in HISE...

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                • Christoph HartC
                  Christoph Hart
                  last edited by

                  Alright guys, more than 6 upvotes and I‘ll look into it ;)

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                    d.healey @Christoph Hart
                    last edited by

                    @Christoph-Hart I like this new system of democracy :)

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                      Lindon @d.healey
                      last edited by

                      @d-healey I only like it if I get what I want. :-)

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                        narrsam @Lindon
                        last edited by

                        @Lindon Damn! ... I so badly wanted you to be wrong... but ... enough already ... @Christoph-Hart just make it happen svp :)

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                          Lindon @narrsam
                          last edited by

                          @narrsam if you hang about long enough i PROMISE you that you will get your opportunity to see me being wrong about something...

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                          • Christoph HartC
                            Christoph Hart
                            last edited by

                            Alright, we're live:

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                            - added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

                            The open source framework for sample based instruments - - added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

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                            GitHub (github.com)

                            I didn't test it properly though (just checking at JUCE plugin host and REAPER), so let me know if any hosts behave funky.

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                              d.healey @Christoph Hart
                              last edited by d.healey

                              @Christoph-Hart Oh an early Christmas present! Thank you! Does this mean we have MIDI out API commands? Is this VST3 only or does VST2 support it?

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                                orange @Christoph Hart
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                                @Christoph-Hart said in MIDI FX ?:

                                Alright, we're live:

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                                - added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

                                The open source framework for sample based instruments - - added MIDI FX plugin export · christophhart/HISE@3b267d6

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                                GitHub (github.com)

                                I didn't test it properly though (just checking at JUCE plugin host and REAPER), so let me know if any hosts behave funky.

                                @Christoph-Hart Awesome, thank you!

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                                  Lindon @d.healey
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                                  @Christoph-Hart what Dave says -- thanks a lot. API documentation (even scratchy and vague..)?

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                                    SteveRiggs @Christoph Hart
                                    last edited by

                                    @Christoph-Hart Sweet! Nice one Christoph ☺

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                                      LeeC
                                      last edited by LeeC

                                      Anybody had a chance to take a deep dive into this yet?

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                                        d.healey @d.healey
                                        last edited by

                                        @d-healey said in MIDI FX ?:

                                        @Christoph-Hart Oh an early Christmas present! Thank you! Does this mean we have MIDI out API commands? Is this VST3 only or does VST2 support it?

                                        Bump bump

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