@ulrik said in Optimal Midi Architecture:

So I set the TransportHandler to trigger the clock every 1/64T note (the lowest value available)
and based on that, I can make calculations for each note value for position and length etc.. using this function

Nice plugin ulrik

I'm likely aiming for a higher PPQ of 960, so not sure it's possible that way..

Chatbot stating: Running a JS loop 960 times per quarter note per sequencer lane will cause hell. And I think you're stating that 96 PPQ is the highest that can go?.

Supposedly the Hise MIDI Player has an internal PPQ resolution of 960 PPQ, handled by sample accurate C++ timing. That's what I need

The MIDI Player could work, but I don't see a way to use it without initially clogging up the plugin with 50 - 100+ MIDI Players, nor finding a way to set them to other MIDI Channels.

Info pointing toward a lot of work to get higher resolution timing without using the MIDI Player..

Stuck, but there must be a way in Hise.

@ulrik

Oh wow, thanks ulrik

I'll have a look in the morrow, my eyes are falling out right now.

I'm hitting the pillow anyway, guess this projects on hold for now. Sounds like working without the MIDI Player to achieve the objectives might be too much to take on myself atm.

Cheers doods.

@David-Healey

Rule #1

Dont trust anything AI

@Christoph-Hart said in Optimal Midi Architecture:

I'm living under a rock here. How wide is the DAW industry adoption of this? All of the hosts I'm using don't care at all about MIDI 2.0.

It's only just being rolled out across operating systems and will indeed take some time for DAW's to catch up, although predicting Bitwig will be all over it soon enough.

I guess for me it's always been a fantasy to have more control and resolution, particularly regarding per note automation, next level music... MPE has always been a limited workaround.

Internal synths could could make use of the upgrade

Oh look Bitwig are already in the game.... yas

@HISEnberg

Wow COOL!

I think the MIDI Player is whats needed also... it just wants an upgrade into the MIDI 2.0 future

DAW's do in fact purpose Sequencers and Piano Rolls effectively, but I think they're a little lacking in realm of fun easy fast inspirational music composition, so I want to fill the void.

Took a video but the files too large, next time

@Christoph-Hart

Don't know if MIDI Players can be dynamically added and removed via the final exported plugin
Don't think it handles parameter automations
Don't think they can playback and display more than one Sequence and or Track at a time
Couldn't get them to output MIDI to anything other than MIDI channel 1,
Using the MIDI Channel Setter Module would be fine, but couldn't get it working with stuck notes
MIDI Player doesn't seem to immediately update it's Sequence and Track when changing them

Would be great if a single MIDI Player could manage everything:

Sample accurate playback for MIDI events (already does) and automations (doesn't do)
MIDI 2.0 per note parameter modulation (Hise Events may already be capable??)
Manage parameter automations with sample rate accuracy and MIDI 2.0 resolution
Playback more than one Sequence and or Track together from the single MIDI Player

So basically a single MIDI Player Module that handles it all, and then you can utilize the Floating Tiles and custom Piano Roll Panels to view any of the content within the one MIDI Player Module.
So Floating Tile 1 might display Sequence 5 Track 2, while scripted Panel displays piano roll for Sequence 10 Tracks 1 2 3 4 all from the one MIDI Player.

Having the option to use a single MIDI Player would then help declutter plugins when many MIDI tracks are needed, but not necessarily wanted clogging up the module tree.

More things I'm sure

A single MIDI Player that can handle it all optimally and accurately, something like that

@David-Healey

Oh my goodness I feel so dumb,,, you know what..... I've never seen that Interface tab in the popup module for script processors, because I only ever click the open in workspace icon, or jump straight to the midi callback tabs..

You're right, they're the exact same thing!

Hise is AWESOME!

But I still don't know the answers to questions at the top of this thread..
Do you think @ulrik may know some things about midi and automation sample accurate playback and optimal data management. (without using the Midi Player Module)

@David-Healey

Ohhh, so you don't mean scripting an actual Hise Module with a pop out UI like the current MIDI Player Hise Module... You just mean a normal script processor for managing the MIDI data?

Guess the script can have an interface within the Interface Designer anyway..

@David-Healey

Please tell me more, is there an example somewhere?

Its probably beyond my capabilities, but willing to consider attempting it.

@David-Healey

Do you mean making a Hise Tree Module via a Script Processor?

@David-Healey

I like the concept of the midi player and would like to utilize such a module, but it seems quite limited and potentially buggy, need something more compatible to move forward.

@David-Healey

Many dynamic polyphonic piano roll sequencers

What should be used to achieve an optimal MIDI architecture to handle dense MIDI data and automations?

Is it possible to get sample accurate timing for MIDI playback and parameter automations without relying on the Midi Player?

Currently looking at things like the MIDI List / Hise Events / Artificial Events etc etc...

Someone please point me in the right direction >>>

Chatbot claims sample accurate MIDI and parameter automation is not possible in Hise without using the Midi Player,,,,,, I don't believe it one bit?

@Christoph-Hart

Is this a bug..

Midi playback works correctly (no stuck on notes) if placing a container within a container.

Container 1 has stuck notes -------------
Container 2 with nested container works.

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maybe related to

Well I lied, spending more time on this.

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Midi channels are set inside the Midi Out script modules (Midi Out 1, Midi Out 2), toggle them to hear notes stuck on.

Midi Channel Setter module neither works.

There must be a something simple I'm missing, or a bug.

Damn, the original issue isn't solved in project, I can't do another day on this lol.

Oh wait that's probably useless if the Midi Player can only play one sequence track at a time..

Needing the project to add Midi Players dynamically, or somehow internally utilize the samplerate accurate playback of the Midi Player.

Like a DAW Channel Rack - where a user dynamically adds channels of midi to playback accurately.

Is it possible to get precise Midi playback via scripting alone without jitter timing issues?

@David-Healey

Wow, for some reason it seems to be magically working today.

Do you happen to know if its possible to use more than one Floating Tile MidiOverlayPanel and have each show a different Sequence or Track from the same Midi Player?

so like floating tile 1 displays sequence 3 track 5, while floating tile 2 displays sequence 4 track 7 from the same midi player..

@David-Healey

Yes, setting the same midi channel in the note off callback doesn't work.