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    • Christoph HartC
      Christoph Hart @Natan
      last edited by

      @Natan You won't have an enjoyable time working on that old thing with HISE - the compilation times will be at least 5x as high as with the newest Apple silicon models.

      As for Xcode / macOS, just use the latest one that runs on your hardware.

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      • NatanN
        Natan @Christoph Hart
        last edited by

        @Christoph-Hart Thanks LegendšŸ™

        I guess moving to M1 or M2 MacBook air will be a Better option.
        My current setup kills me for compile and buildšŸ™

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart @Natan
          last edited by

          @Natan I recommend the Macbook Air M1 with 16GB and the fastest CPU option (10 core I think). It compiles HISE almost as fast as my 9900K desktop without a fan.

          The performance increases of the M2 is rather incremental, but a Macbook Pro with the M1 Max might yield another 20%-30%. Unfortunately the Xcode linker is still single-threaded which means that 60% of the compilation workload has to be done by a single CPU which is the biggest slowdown.

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          • hisefiloH
            hisefilo @Christoph Hart
            last edited by hisefilo

            @Natan Macbook Air M1 did the job for me. I’m on a M2 now but compiling time is quick enough for both systems.

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            • NatanN
              Natan
              last edited by Natan

              Back to this Topic, Okay I Picked up an M2 Macbook Air, Just for Silicon Exporting,

              I Have a few questions:

              • What XCODE Version do I Need?
              • Do I need XPertyy? (I don't know the name even LOL )
              • Are there any Additional Changes that I need to do in the project or Xcode Only for Mac Sillicon Exporting?

              Cheers

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              • orangeO
                orange @Natan
                last edited by orange

                @Natan

                • It seems that currently the latest compatible XCode version is 14.3 and the macOS version is Ventura (for now) Sonoma needs XCode 15 and that XCode version gives errors while compiling

                • Yes you still need xcpretty

                • Just compile the HISE without IPP, the process is straightforward

                develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                • DabDabD
                  DabDab @orange
                  last edited by DabDab

                  @orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                  @Natan

                  • It seems that currently the latest compatible XCode version is 14.3 and the macOS version is Ventura (for now) Sonoma needs XCode 15 and that XCode version gives errors while compiling

                  • Yes you still need xcpretty

                  • Just compile the HISE without IPP, the process is straightforward

                  I have a question...
                  If I compile plugins from old Catalina OSX, does not run on M1/M2 machine, right ? What OSX (latest) will it support ( Intel CPU) ?

                  Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                  • orangeO
                    orange @DabDab
                    last edited by

                    @DabDab said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                    @orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                    @Natan

                    • It seems that currently the latest compatible XCode version is 14.3 and the macOS version is Ventura (for now) Sonoma needs XCode 15 and that XCode version gives errors while compiling

                    • Yes you still need xcpretty

                    • Just compile the HISE without IPP, the process is straightforward

                    I have a question...
                    If I compile plugins from old Catalina OSX, does not run on M1/M2 machine, right ? What OSX (latest) will it support ( Intel CPU) ?

                    You can compile universal binaries (intel + arm supported in one plugin) on intel machines too. Minimum requirement is XCode 12.2 and Catalina 10.15.4.

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                    Building a Universal macOS Binary | Apple Developer Documentation

                    Create macOS apps and other executables that run natively on both Apple silicon and Intel-based Mac computers.

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                    Apple Developer Documentation (developer.apple.com)

                    develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                    macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                    • DabDabD
                      DabDab @orange
                      last edited by

                      @orange OK. That means if I make an AU (component ) or Mac VST3 plugins from Intel CPU & Catalina, will it run on mac Silicon and New OSX ?

                      Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                      • d.healeyD
                        d.healey @DabDab
                        last edited by

                        @DabDab Yes

                        Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                        My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                        YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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                        • orangeO
                          orange @DabDab
                          last edited by orange

                          @DabDab said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                          @orange OK. That means if I make an AU (component ) or Mac VST3 plugins from Intel CPU & Catalina, will it run on mac Silicon and New OSX ?

                          Yes, the plugin will work on Apple Silicon natively (no need for Rosetta).

                          The opposite is also possible. The plugin you compile as a universal binary on an Apple Silicon Mac will also work on Intel Mac too.

                          develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                          macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                          • DabDabD
                            DabDab @orange
                            last edited by

                            @orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                            @DabDab said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                            @orange OK. That means if I make an AU (component ) or Mac VST3 plugins from Intel CPU & Catalina, will it run on mac Silicon and New OSX ?

                            Yes, the plugin will work on Apple Silicon natively (no need for Rosetta).

                            The opposite is also possible. The plugin you compile as a universal binary on an Apple Silicon Mac will also work on Intel Mac too.

                            Lovely. 😃 Thank you for the answer and clearing my doubts.

                            Bollywood Music Producer and Trance Producer.

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                            • NatanN
                              Natan
                              last edited by Natan

                              @orange @d-healey @hisefilo
                              Thank you guys, Cheers

                              I am in the middle of Building Hise on a new Macbook,
                              What settings I need to change in projucer for universal built?

                              Also Do you have any Link to XCode 14.3?

                              Screenshot 2023-12-04 at 3.59.53 PM.png

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                              • orangeO
                                orange @Natan
                                last edited by orange

                                @Natan

                                Also Do you have any Link to XCode 14.3?

                                For old Xcode versions:
                                https://developer.apple.com/download/all/

                                develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                                macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                                • NatanN
                                  Natan @orange
                                  last edited by

                                  @orange said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                                  https://developer.apple.com/download/all/

                                  Thanks buddy, Youre the best

                                  And Did you changed anything on Projucer?

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                                  • orangeO
                                    orange @Natan
                                    last edited by orange

                                    @Natan

                                    And Did you changed anything on Projucer?

                                    I don't change anything.

                                    For the plugin export, the Projucer file created by Hise has this setting automatically. This is the universal binary setting.

                                    Screen Shot 2023-12-04 at 15.39.07.png

                                    develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                                    macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                                    • NatanN
                                      Natan @orange
                                      last edited by

                                      @orange Thank bro, Did you install iPP? or is it Disabled?

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                                      • d.healeyD
                                        d.healey @Natan
                                        last edited by

                                        @Natan Don't use IPP on Mac

                                        Libre Wave - Freedom respecting instruments and effects
                                        My Patreon - HISE tutorials
                                        YouTube Channel - Public HISE tutorials

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                                        • orangeO
                                          orange @Natan
                                          last edited by orange

                                          @Natan said in Do I need a M1 / M2 Machine for Apple silicon support?:

                                          @orange Thank bro, Did you install iPP? or is it Disabled?

                                          As I previously mentioned above, no IPP pn macOS.

                                          I don't use IPP for Windows too. It breaks convolution for some situations.

                                          develop Branch / XCode 13.1
                                          macOS Monterey / M1 Max

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                                          • NatanN
                                            Natan
                                            last edited by

                                            First Try Failed Because of Faust,
                                            I Need to disable it Right?

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