Where's Christoph?

[David Healey]

@Christoph-Hart Oh exciting, is that with your usual company? Yes a meeting sounds good.

[griffinboy]

@Christoph-Hart
Didn't know you did work in Japan!
Most of my music work is for the Japanese entertainment industry!

[griffinboy]

@David-Healey @Christoph-Hart

Agreed, I missed out on the last few meetups, it would be great to have another!

[Felix W]

@Christoph-Hart
I'm looking forward to HISE5 surprising me.

[JC]

@Christoph-Hart Nice! Based off the last few months in here, AI continues to be a hot topic and the HISE/Moonbase fix is eagerly awaited by a fair few people. I look forward to being part of the meetup if that's alright?

[Chazrox]

Miss you guys. ha. Would love to see a meetup and discuss the future!

[dannytaurus]

Whatever happens with HISE now might be too little, too late.

[resonant]

@dannytaurus said in Where's Christoph?:

Whatever happens with HISE now might be too little, too late.

Why?

[dannytaurus]

@resonant HISE's pitch is 'build plugins without writing C++'. LLMs do that part easily now.

The things that will allow human-made plugins to stand out from casual vibe-coded competitors are a curated aesthetic, quality UI design, high profile collaborations, good customer support and relationships, future updates, etc. HISE helps with none of that.

[David Healey]

@dannytaurus said in Where's Christoph?:

HISE's pitch is 'build plugins without writing C++

I make sample libraries rather than plugins. For me HISE is an alternative to Kontakt, not an alternative to C++. If I use an LLM I'd just be asking it to recreate a worse version of HISE. Instead I use it to enhance HISE to make it better meet my requirements.

[dannytaurus]

@David-Healey Sample libraries are indeed notably absent from the current deluge of vibe-coded plugins.

It's another current differentiator - our willingness and ability to accurately sample acoustic instruments or vintage/esoteric hardware.

But I think that'll go away quite soon too. The moat is shrinking every day.

[griffinboy]

@dannytaurus

Personally I think one of the really good things about Hise is that it's free. And that it wraps Juce.
And so at no cost you can start learning what you need to know about plugin development without being dropped completely in the deep end.

I think there are plenty of people who are still interested in the process of developing audio technology, and I think that HISE fills a useful gap for beginners of this kind.

Personally I was never interested in the codeless aspect, I wanted to get into the weeds with DSP from the start, I just found plain Juce so dry and dull to work in when I was starting out.

Of course, now I don't use Juce either, I ended up going down the Kilohearts/Fabfilter route and use my own plugin core. But HISE (and every other platform / library I used) paved the way to where I am now.
In the present day, a fair chunk of my income comes from rewriting vibecoded projects, and creating LLM harnesses. But if HISE hadn't been around, I likely wouldn't have gotten over the initial tediousness of Juce, which was a necessary first step in eventually reaching the point where I know enough to work on new agentic coding technology.

This is just my personal perspective. Which is probably alternate to many people here.

[dannytaurus]

@griffinboy I appreciate your viewpoint, but I think HISE is quite hostile to beginners.

Don't get me wrong - I'm glad it exists, and it certainly beats tackling bare JUCE. But just look at a handful of posts in this forum from beginners to see how much everyone struggles.

And yeah, you're definitely in the minority. The depths that you dive is quite amazing!