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      DanSound
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      I think I've found a bug or maybe I’m misunderstanding how envelopes work. With Global Envelope Modulation enabled and the intensity set to 0, the note length seems to be linked to the Decay of the global ADSR envelope. I would expect that at 0 intensity it shouldn't have any effect at all.

      Has anyone else noticed this, or am I missing something?

      Short video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08N34C3W6i4

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      • Christoph HartC
        Christoph Hart @DanSound
        last edited by

        Nope, the note length is derived by the envelope signal, the intensity can be dynamically changed and it would be weird if notes are killed if the intensity is temporarily set to zero.

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          DanSound @Christoph Hart
          last edited by

          @Christoph-Hart Thanks for the reply! That makes total sense, silly me.

          However, I still have an issue with staccato notes + global modulator (zero intensity). Below is a short video: I'm using a global ADSR and a regular ADSR with the same settings. With the regular ADSR everything works fine, but when I activate the global modulator, it cuts the second note.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn_8JBbPaco

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            DanSound @DanSound
            last edited by DanSound

            Maybe my previous message is just due to my poor understanding of voicing and the overall signal flow.

            But this time it's something weird: both the regular and global ADSR have the same settings, with intensity at 100% on both. With the regular ADSR, I can play fast staccato just fine, but with the global modulator it just cuts the notes.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhoXGF6qo1Y

            Or it's not just me? https://forum.hise.audio/topic/8582/global-adsr-issues

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            • Oli UllmannO
              Oli Ullmann @DanSound
              last edited by

              @DanSound
              Did you try it without "Use Table"?

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                DanSound @Oli Ullmann
                last edited by

                @Oli-Ullmann Yes, I've tried everything. But somehow after I restarted my laptop it started to work fine. 🤖

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