I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise

Christoph Hart

You didn‘t waste three hours. You learned a valuable lesson about the limits of AI and why everybody makes fun of vibe coding.

griffinboy

@huen97

Ai will happily gaslight you.
It'll tell you all sorts of lies and it will often be unable to acknowledge it's own mistakes.

You can't program using AI without understanding deeply what you are trying to make, and at least how it works on a basic level.

I use AI heavily in my coding, but I always understand the algorithms I am making. The AI is simply there because it knows c++ syntax better than me.
But it will never be able to write an algorithm as good as the one in my own head. There are too many elements and moving parts that go into making DSP, an LLM is unlikely to know all the info required. And there is DSP that is still way out of reach, even if you give it all the info and math it needs it will still fail at things. Ai is particularly bad at audio programming I've found.

CatABC

@Christoph-Hart I agree

CatABC

HISE is very friendly to beginners. You can start with

Console.print("Hello! HISE");

. Believe me, you will soon gain something instead of relying on AI.

d.healey

@CatABC You're right. I just asked ChatGPT for a hello world example for HISE and the output is nonsense - I won't post it here because I don't want to pollute the forum. But it would absolutely mislead a beginner.

dannytaurus

There simply isn't enough HISE-specific content out there for AI to make a decent job of it.

I use Cursor (AI-enabled fork of Visual Studio Code) in my daily Ruby coding and the AI does an excellent job on small, focussed tasks. It's doing stuff I could do myself but about 20 faster.

They just released a Background Agent that you can use for larger, more complex tasks which I'm looking forward to trying. Prompt it with details of a new feature implementation and let it get to work planning and executing, all with human oversight on the process. Much like Devin, but less expensive.

Anyway, the point is, to do a good job AI at the very least needs A LOT of source material to work with. And there isn't enough HISE out there for it to do that.

aaronventure

@d-healey That's why you should ask Claude with the Context7 MCP installed

// ========================================
// HISE Hello World Script Examples
// ========================================

// 1. BASIC CONSOLE OUTPUT
// The simplest way to output "Hello World" in HISE
Console.print("Hello World");

// 2. CREATING A BASIC USER INTERFACE
// Create the main interface (600x500 pixels)
Content.makeFrontInterface(600, 500);

// Add a button programmatically
const var HelloButton = Content.addButton("HelloButton", 10, 10);
HelloButton.set("text", "Click for Hello World!");

// 3. BUTTON CALLBACK FUNCTION
// Define what happens when the button is clicked
inline function onHelloButtonControl(component, value)
{
    if(value) // Button was pressed (value = 1)
    {
        Console.print("Hello World from Button!");
        
        // You can also show a popup message
        Engine.showMessageBox("Hello World", "Greetings from HISE!", 0);
    }
};

// Connect the callback to the button
HelloButton.setControlCallback(onHelloButtonControl);

// 4. DRAWING TEXT ON A PANEL
// Add a panel for custom graphics
const var HelloPanel = Content.addPanel("HelloPanel", 10, 70);
HelloPanel.set("width", 300);
HelloPanel.set("height", 100);

// Set a custom paint routine for the panel
HelloPanel.setPaintRoutine(function(g)
{
    // Set background color
    g.setColour(Colours.withAlpha(Colours.blue, 0.3));
    g.fillRect(this.getLocalBounds(0));
    
    // Set text properties
    g.setFont("Arial", 24);
    g.setColour(Colours.white);
    
    // Draw the hello world text
    g.drawFittedText("Hello World!", this.getLocalBounds(5), "centred", 1, 1.0);
});

// 5. CREATING A SIMPLE SOUND GENERATOR
// Get reference to a sine wave generator (if one exists in your project)
// Note: You need to add a SineWaveGenerator module first in HISE
/*
const var SineGen = Synth.getChildSynth("Sine Wave Generator");

if(isDefined(SineGen))
{
    Console.print("Sine generator found - Hello World with sound!");
    
    // Set some basic parameters
    SineGen.setAttribute(SineGen.SaturationAmount, 0.1);
    Console.print("Saturation set to: " + SineGen.getAttribute(SineGen.SaturationAmount));
}
else
{
    Console.print("No sine generator found - add one to test sound generation");
}
*/

// 6. WORKING WITH ARRAYS AND LOOPS
Console.print("=== Array Hello World ===");
const var words = ["Hello", "World", "from", "HISE"];

for(i = 0; i < words.length; i++)
{
    Console.print("Word " + i + ": " + words[i]);
}

// Join the words together
var message = "";
for(word in words)
{
    message += word + " ";
}
Console.print("Complete message: " + message);

// 7. BASIC MATH OPERATIONS
Console.print("=== Math Hello World ===");
const var x = 5;
const var y = 10;
const var result = x + y;
Console.print("Math result: " + x + " + " + y + " = " + result);

// 8. TIMER-BASED HELLO WORLD
// Create a timer that prints hello world every 2 seconds
const var HelloTimer = Engine.createTimerObject();
HelloTimer.setTimerCallback(function()
{
    Console.print("Timer says: Hello World! " + Engine.getUptime());
});

// Start the timer (2000ms = 2 seconds)
HelloTimer.startTimer(2000);

// 9. BASIC FUNCTION DEFINITION
inline function sayHello(name)
{
    return "Hello " + name + " from HISE!";
}

// Call the function
Console.print(sayHello("Developer"));
Console.print(sayHello("World"));

// 10. BASIC CONDITIONAL LOGIC
const var currentTime = Engine.getUptime();
if(currentTime > 5.0)
{
    Console.print("Hello World - HISE has been running for more than 5 seconds!");
}
else
{
    Console.print("Hello World - HISE just started!");
}

Console.print("=== HISE Hello World Script Complete! ===");

d.healey

@aaronventure said in I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise:

That's why you should ask Claude

For us it's useful, but a beginner shouldn't use it for learning scripting because they don't know if the output is good or bad. I can already pick holes in that Claude output but a beginner wouldn't know.

Chazrox

Allen

AI is currently really bad at writing DSP code.

the reverb&delay code is really looks like something from r/programminghorror btw
I can already hear the pop and clicks followed by a loud-ass feedback lol.

Straticah

Hise Forum is the best meme page by far.

aaronventure

@d-healey yeah you're right

plus as I've said elsewhere, large part of HISE is not code-based

No way through HISE currently other than the hard way. which may become increasingly inaccessible as people become super impatient with AI doing their shit for them in seconds in other areas of life. I do often think how impossible it will be for us to relate to the new kids, given how we had to go and read 300 pages of docs before writing some code back in the day.

Now it's all just a prompt away.

Chazrox

@aaronventure

You're a Picasso worrying about how to relate to people who call stuff like this art...

lol

ask them to explain the logic? There is none. Its 'vibe'. I myself appreciate the learning curve and the mid entry level requirements to get something decent done. I can already imagine the MESS ai is gonna make of everything before it makes things better.

Who will maintain all this code??? lol

d.healey

@Chazrox You'll like this

Chazrox

@d-healey

Screenshot 2025-06-08 at 12.43.56 PM.png
They tried it. lol

I love how lazy people are.

aaronventure

@Chazrox said in I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise:

Who will maintain all this code??? lol

The point is that you shouldn't look at it. Does it work? Is the performance acceptable? Have you tested for security issues? Just ship it. That's the current way of things. Some of the stuff I'm seeing in new repos popping up is the stuff of nightmares, but hey, it works.

I mean it's incredible, it's literal science fiction stuff, you write an instruction as if you were writing it to a developer on your team, and it becomes reality. If you told me 3 years ago this would be a reality today I would've called you crazy. Of course, currently it's just step by step, so you still need to have the big picture, understand on high level how things work so your instructions can be accurate etc.

But code developed both to be functional and to be readable to humans so they can write it and debug it. This is no longer necessary, so I have no trouble imagining a language coming up in a very near future that is completely oriented to be written by LLMs.

The potential is just too much to ignore.

Chazrox

@aaronventure I agree with the potential implications. We're just not there yet obviously and i'll probably make fun of it til then...

Best believe when ai can figure out how to properly write an Auto-Tune in HISE, WE are ALL gonna go crazy and i'll be first in line!

Until then, we're asking an infant to do gymnastics. <-- just more jokes. lol.

I do use ai myself but only for extending index libraries and/or help with math. Other than that, it just makes a mess without proper (in-depth) context.

Based on your experience, what are you're thoughts on best use cases as it stands today?
...pertaining to HISE of course.

aaronventure

@Chazrox Writing small pieces of code, like functions. Connect it to context7 so it can get docs, but obviously that only works if the docs are complete, and HISE docs are not.

I did once write a full 3d rendering engine in HISE PaintRoutine, with frustum culling and all the jazz. You'd just pass it a "mesh" like a an array of points relative to a center, pass it a location for the the mesh center, pass it camera specs like xyz, pitch, yaw, fov and it would render the whole scene using line calls. Of course it was all running on the CPU so it wasn't very efficient at all.

I did eventually move to WebView and three.js because that's what three is made for and it runs on the GPU, but this is the kind of stuff where even testing it out meant you had to go and learn computer graphics from complete zero just to implement this here, but the toughest question would be where to even look and what to look for. With AI it was much faster to find the relevant information and get it going.

So in a world where a question "is this even viable to try to implement" can be answered in days instead of months, it's like magic wand.

Chazrox

@aaronventure

@aaronventure said in I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise:

small pieces of code

same.

@aaronventure said in I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise:

3d rendering engine in HISE PaintRoutine,

Wahh?? I'll say it again.. you guys are geewwwwd! haha.

@aaronventure said in I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise:

So in a world where a question "is this even viable to try to implement" can be answered in days instead of months, it's like magic wand.

I agree.

VirtualVirgin

@aaronventure said in I wasted 3 hours on deepseek trying to create Autotune, Reverb and Delay in Hise:

I did once write a full 3d rendering engine in HISE PaintRoutine, with frustum culling and all the jazz. You'd just pass it a "mesh" like a an array of points relative to a center, pass it a location for the the mesh center, pass it camera specs like xyz, pitch, yaw, fov and it would render the whole scene using line calls. Of course it was all running on the CPU so it wasn't very efficient at all.

I found this video pretty interesting on learning about 3D graphics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYRrGTC7GtA

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