Unsolved Envelope table - global mod bug ?
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I get some strange behaviour with this setup :
Global Mod Container >
Table EnvelopeContainer >
Sinewave > AHDSR> Filter > Freq Mod
Waveform> DefaultEnvelope> Filter > Freq ModSo essentially one global table which controls 2 different filters on 2 separate sound generators. However, it doesn't seem to be fully responsive when their is an AHDSR envelope in the chain. Is this a bug or am I not understanding something here with regards to polyphony or the nature of the AHDSR?
Here is a snippet, compare the filter response in both of the waveforms.
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@HISEnberg I didnt load your snippet but I assume its because the combined modulation of Global Mod + Envelope isnt ever going to give you 100% of the Global Mod - unless you set the envelope sustain to 100%...
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@HISEnberg Forgot to mention, this issue persists with the
Synth.setUseUniformVoiceHandler()
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@Lindon Just to explain further.
The
global table envelope mod
controls the cutoff frequency of two filters.Sinewave1
has an AHDSR envelope.WaveformGenerator1
has a Default envelope.So the envelopes operate independently of the global modulator, I only included this to show the difference in behavior I am receiving on the filter modulation.
Here is an example with 3 FIlters, 1 SinewaveGenerator and 2 WaveformGenerators. The buggy behaviour actually only happens on the the Sinewave.
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@HISEnberg
There have been issues using envelope modules in the Global Modulator Container and the last time I tried this approach I gave up, I couldn't get it to work as it should.
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@HISEnberg -yeah what Ulrik said, Global Envelopes dont seem to work well for me either - so I use local ones only...Global LFOs work fine though...
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@Lindon @ulrik Thanks guys. I will try somethings in scriptnode though I don't expect such different results. Will post here if I find a solution.
Usually I wouldn't mind but my project is fairly dependent on having one global table envelope. I tried cheating by linking ScriptTables together but this was also causing crashes in HISE.