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    • larryseyerL
      larryseyer
      last edited by

      I've been developing a new app using HISE.

      I come from a musical audio and sample library development background but I do have some expertise in programming in various languages including C, Lua, HTML, CSS, PHP.

      My question pertains to the new licensing changes announced for Juce 8.

      Specifically it states:

      *Products that provide JUCE as a service

      You may not create, make available as a service, nor distribute software that creates software that contains JUCE. This encompasses all projects and products that provide the ability to generate plug-ins and standalone software that uses JUCE.

      Please contact sales@juce.com for an alternative licence agreement if you want to provide products that generate software containing JUCE.*

      Does this mean all the work I've been putting into HISE will be limited to Juce 7?

      Or will I be able to continue developing in HISE for JUCE for versions 8 and above?

      Thank you!

      Larry Seyer is an award-winning musician, audio engineer and producer who has worked with many artists across various genres. Every Thursday at 7PM he live streams on YouTube, Twitch and Rumble.

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      • Dan KorneffD
        Dan Korneff @larryseyer
        last edited by Dan Korneff

        @larryseyer I had the same question. @Christoph-Hart thinks no, but the language does seem to apply to HISE. 🤷‍♂️
        I'm moving forward with business as usual until someone says otherwise.

        Dan Korneff - Producer / Mixer / Audio Nerd

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart @Dan Korneff
          last edited by

          @Dan-Korneff The JUCE 8 license has a few issues but this is not one of them.

          You may not create, make available as a service, nor distribute software that creates software that contains JUCE.

          This means that you cannot offer HISE to clients that do not have a valid JUCE license themselves, so if there would anyone that is violating the license agreement it would be me because I'm offering a service that creates software containing JUCE. However this is not a problem because HISE is distributed under the GPL v3 license so HISE is completely bypassing whatever commercial license the JUCE guys come up with.

          It would be a problem if I would offer a closed source binary that spits out a plugin and told you that you can use this creation without having a JUCE license (basically how Maize Sampler and Romplur are operating). This was already a legal grey area before and now it's explicitly prohibited but it doesn't change how HISE can be used with JUCE 8.

          However I'm still sticking to JUCE 7 for the next 1 - 2 years and then evaluate whether the upgrade to JUCE 8 is worth it as there are other things in the license agreement which are troubling for our use case.

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          • larryseyerL
            larryseyer @Christoph Hart
            last edited by

            @Christoph-Hart

            That makes sense. And thank you for taking the time to answer.

            BTW, I just have to say, I am so totally impressed with your work.

            HISE is an absolutely AMAZING tool!

            Thank you for all your hard work on it.

            Larry

            Larry Seyer is an award-winning musician, audio engineer and producer who has worked with many artists across various genres. Every Thursday at 7PM he live streams on YouTube, Twitch and Rumble.

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            • bendursoB
              bendurso @Christoph Hart
              last edited by

              @Christoph-Hart Hise 4 is using Juce 7? Or not yet?

              Perpetual version of Juce 7 is not available for sale anymore right? Or you can buy Juce 8 perpetual to use Juce 7?

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              • Christoph HartC
                Christoph Hart @bendurso
                last edited by

                @bendurso Actually, HISE 4 is still using JUCE 6, but you can of course use older versions with a newer license, you're just bound to the new license agreement if you haven't bought a JUCE 7 license before.

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                • clevername27C
                  clevername27 @larryseyer
                  last edited by clevername27

                  @larryseyer It means that once again, PACE has overplayed their hand,. Expect surprisingly robust competition to materialise in the near future, bank-rolled by the larger companies. Enjoy popcorn while PACE attempts to make backroom deals with them to get around the license. Watch people fondly remember JUCE.

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