Licence cost ?
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I am replying from viewpoint of end user rather than developer, with my limited understanding of the sampler/vsti market.
What about HISE having a marketplace that allows developers to sell their products and takes a commission? Something like Kontakthub?
I saw a quote of 2 million DAW owners vs 50,000 full kontakt owners. So there must be a lot of casual DAW users who do not want to pay the large price of Kontakt. I am one of those users that have decided Kontakt is too expensive, even though the sight of all those interesting and low cost libraries is tempting.
So for me, and perhaps for many others, if there were an alternative marketplace that sold Kontakt like sample based instruments for not too much then I would buy them. I mean up to $50 or maybe $100.
I see that Kontakthub has instruments starting from a few dollars. How do developers make money I wonder at those prices?
Personally I don't think there is much difference for end user between $3 and $10 or maybe $20. But for developer and HISE, the difference of 1000 copies sold at $3 or 1000 at $10 is a lot.
All those libraries for Kontakt on sale at low prices are tempting, but the need for full player is an obstacle. Perhaps users would more easily part with a slightly higher price for a sound library that does not need a 399 euro investment to use.
Another advantage of a marketplace is that it is a central place where all activity and buzz about HISE would be concentrated. It seems to me that for something like HISE to succeed it needs to gather developers and consumers and thereby create the kind of buzz that a market or mall has. Otherwise you get skilled artisans tucked away in backstreets that only a few know about. Yes there is web search but sites get buried unless they are significant.
The marketplace would benefit HISE because it would get commission on the sales. Technically this would need some kind of licensing so that only items bought and registered through the marketplace function. Or perhaps some developers prefer to pay a one off cost and retain the right to sell direct, the option could be available. Although I believe a centralised marketplace would benefit everyone.
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@steve_uk Decentralized systems are better. With a central system there is a chance of instant collapse! BTW the owner of KontaktHub also runs sampleism.com which is the kind of market place I think you'd prefer :)
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@d-healey That samplism site seems rather confusing to me. A lot of the products are patches for other products, and there are a few loop libraries on offer. One product was a set of patches for Roland Juno.
Honestly not what I was looking for at all.If I want samples I go to Loopmaster, if I want synth stuff I go to plugin boutique.
The Sampleism seems a heap of things thrown together.For example:
https://www.sampleism.com/price/upto-10I saw items on the screen for £74.00 (Bloody Nightmare). Not sure if that was a promoted item, but there were loads of others for more than £10.
I won't be bookmarking that site.
Yes there is a chance of instant collapse with a centrally run site, but if HISE run the site then it is in HISE interest to make sure it is professionally run.
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@steve_uk As long as the central site is not the only option (well then it it wouldn't be central I suppose) I'd be okay with it.
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@steve_uk said in Licence cost ?:
I saw a quote of 2 million DAW owners vs 50,000 full kontakt owners. So there must be a lot of casual DAW users who do not want to pay the large price of Kontakt. I am one of those users that have decided Kontakt is too expensive, even though the sight of all those interesting and low cost libraries is tempting.
NI allows to create libraries for the free Kontakt Player, you just pay them a quite expensive fee and so your libraries can run on the Player and customers don't pay 399 for the full Kontakt. I know that a free lance developer can't pay that fee to NI and I'm agree with you about NI philosophy but I don't think that NI could never give the chance to free lance developers to create libraries for the Player for free, full Kontakt sales would collapse instantly.
Hise, in this case, is less expensive. The alternative would be to become C ++ wizards ;) -
@steve_uk said in Licence cost ?:
I see that Kontakthub has instruments starting from a few dollars. How do developers make money I wonder at those prices?
Well, though I can't survive with my libraries, through nine months, I earned £ 1.240,00 ca from Kontakt Hub, so, I have largely amortized the cost of Kontakt full :)
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@ossian1961 The type of market I saw for HISE was something like your Nebulae but without requirement of 399 euro player. Since you already have the samples and the knowledge of the effects I guess you could create something in HISE rather quickly that duplicates the sound and functionality of Nebulae, Biosynth etc.
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@steve_uk said in Licence cost ?:
@ossian1961 The type of market I saw for HISE was something like your Nebulae but without requirement of 399 euro player. Since you already have the samples and the knowledge of the effects I guess you could create something in HISE rather quickly that duplicates the sound and functionality of Nebulae, Biosynth etc.
At the moment I don't working with samples with Hise. I'm exploring the synth modules like I used do with Reaktor and so the project could be quite similar to "Ambient" related instruments but with no sampling feature... most "close" to Aparillo by Sugar Bytes.
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@steve_uk said in Licence cost ?:
What about HISE having a marketplace that allows developers to sell their products and takes a commission? Something like Kontakthub?
That thought has crossed my mind multiple times. However there is one thing called the Empty Room problem, so it may take a bit more time until there are a few actual projects out there before a marketplace makes sense.
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@Christoph-Hart
I think that today the "empty room problem" is just that we can't sell our products.
Because no "clear" licence for you (and us), and because no protection system implemented (simple serial protection, online protection on OUR server, key pair on OUR server, etc. ...)some users here already sells their product, but you know of course they are already available on warez sites (by respect i won't give the adress). Sampleson, Channelrobot, WSproaudio, etc. ...
pretty sure when the day has come with protection sheme and clear licence cost, your "room" will be full.
me fisrt. i actually create synth and romplers for my pleasure (and my music creations), but when the day's coming with good protection licence script, clear licence for HISE and/or HISE platform for selling with some fees for you, i will be the first to offer my products (actually a little dozen) -
Has this licensing issue been settled ?
Is there anything that prohibits a similar payment structure as Juce has ?
I dont mind paying for Hise , so far it seems pretty amazing and the Dev has to make money . -
