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    • Dan KorneffD
      Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
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        @Christoph-Hart
        I just realized that I wasn't using the debugging version of HISE.
        Here's some info that might be more relevant:
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              Dan Korneff
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              and here's the final error that causes crash when preloading monolith
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              • Dan KorneffD
                Dan Korneff
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                @Christoph-Hart Is there anything else I can do to troubleshoot this issue?

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                • Dan KorneffD
                  Dan Korneff
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                  I'm also having a heck of a time with playback of the sampler in general.
                  I've notices a couple of issues (other than overlapping midi not triggering samples).

                  • Even if there is no overlapping midi, random wont trigger. (overlapping midi will 100% not trigger)
                  • using the freeze function in Cubase or bouncing down the audio in Cubase + Reaper gets an unexpected result. Audio gets chopped off (I think I experienced this during the overlap midi thread as well)

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                    • Dan KorneffD
                      Dan Korneff
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                      Looks like the samples cutting out and not exporting properly are a buffer issue. Setting preload to -1 works great... but eats up a huge amount of RAM. Time to tinker with some settings :)

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                      • Christoph HartC
                        Christoph Hart
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                        Are you using an external HDD?

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                        • Dan KorneffD
                          Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
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                          @Christoph-Hart I'm not. I have an SSD and SATA in this rig. It does it on both.
                          Setting preload to 16000 made it work well with a has a small RAM footprint. I'm pretty happy with that.
                          Still can't export a monolith though ;)

                          Dan Korneff - Producer / Mixer / Audio Nerd

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                          • Christoph HartC
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                            Yes, that export issue has something to do with your weird AMD CPU not supporting a SSE3 instruction :) I am using Intel CPUs on all my test machines, but I'll figure this out when I find the time.

                            The streaming buffer drops are worrying though. How many voices are you playing before you get the drop outs? You should be able to play at least 400-500 voices before the streaming engine starts getting busy.

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                              Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
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                              @Christoph-Hart 😅 That's probably why my Mac doesn't crash when making monoliths... It should be noted that the intel Mac does get the same "file is corrupt" error in Console.

                              When I do a test with a bunch of hits, such as a drum roll, it can use up to 100 voices. I've haven't seen it get above 200 with a full multi mic drum kit going.

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                              • Christoph HartC
                                Christoph Hart
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                                Hmm, but the example screenshots you showed are just playing a few voices and still drop out, so it can't be a performance issue actually.

                                How many mic channels are you using? Ah, and does changing the preload size to -1 fix the overlap not being retriggered?

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                                  Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
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                                  @Christoph-Hart said in Sampler issues latest build:

                                  How many mic channels are you using?

                                  This example has 4 mic positions.

                                  does changing the preload size to -1 fix the overlap not being retriggered?

                                  HOLY CRAP! It does!

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                                  • Christoph HartC
                                    Christoph Hart
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                                    Alright, then we just know that something is funky with your streaming thread. Getting close...

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                                      Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
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                                      @Christoph-Hart Maybe I spoke too soon. It worked on one quick test, but now it seems to be random if it triggers with overlap

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                                        Dan Korneff @Christoph Hart
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                                        @Christoph-Hart After looking into this further, I think it comes down to basic NoteOn / NoteOff commands.

                                        In this first pic, I have 4 overlapping notes. Only 3 of them are triggered.

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                                        If I arrange the midi to display where the overlaps occur, I can see that the sampler wont trigger a 2nd midi note (of the same note) without first receiving a NoteOff command.

                                        overlap midi export 2.PNG

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                                        • Dan KorneffD
                                          Dan Korneff
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                                          It's actually more apparent when done with the Sine Generator using the same midi.

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                                          • Dan KorneffD
                                            Dan Korneff
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                                            Looks like this is just normal behavior of midi in general. I guess it's up to the designer on how to deal with this?

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