Note Release - randomly gets stuck

Adam_G

2 seconds from making a post with an annoying youtube clickbait title just to get some feedback here lol.

could any fl studio studio user out there test this to see if they get the same issue at least? here is a snippet and demo midi. all you have to do is export it as a vst then let the midi play for a minute or 2 and see if you hear a note that plays longer than the rest. its pretty noticeable.

HiseSnippet 1009.3ocyW0raaaDDdokVWK61f3.ihdjGxAEfz.IG6l.zCQ1xRABI1VvzIsnWBVSNxZgI2kc4R2JDj2M+HjGk7FjNKoj4pDJYYkeP4ItyOb+lY+1YF1WI8gjDoh3T6zQw.w4GodiD5gsGx3BRuCHNqQ6qfDPS1eTLKIABHNNUdtQqSspjrmO7r8YgLgOTHhPdsj6CujGw0ER625E7vvtr.3Tdjk06zpmuTzVFJSQjTg1fDy7ufcNbDyX1JThypcB3ZoxSyzPBwo59xfQdCk+iH29WyS3mEBlEMId3GJWbWYXfAwFoj1C4gA8mDwIDhCseQ7WIO92hdHOfes7h7vcyT3V3gc9vYkogWkofWyYAuRfjiEjplCoMod9JdrtPiAOaP6IzfZ.CS61PI2VhyUz1Rz.g9QQrKftJbw0NTemca7P2s2swC98AoBeMWJbkhijZ3XQ8Gr9aWu15uac2OU0fAkpyrMJYXHnJUs4jVMOGqKRiNCTOz8RVXJbsgX3OcNc0EKm5mG0VFJE8Db8wwv30ymTPFm1vyhJiQH9lN6j3NiOI7B4AfhvwOxOPegPdVSRF3s4+jE14s+Rb9wk37q5c.SyLjowwBFewfRyMoQmCfKwal4TqZzCfjKzx3rfMJVJLQtyZ2X39uEa38aMBuI47W3qQ1UE15pHlkYa0JdRVtG9g9YpGW.t+A6Rv84f.TL7ntIduWgW4QZpwlMoG6qQCNUwDIwxDvjWVXPtsMHClAHqOMHqe6A4FTOHheJBpjof2p23AWw9dkp.d2Z.bOpGSmhZvaU6EISMT2OuHBV9RFjFZ72tlloP9XEn6SUHwTsPjv0irKzeKJz0XtE5VTHtIsOW6OrbLtRIXDo8eKv331C+DsyfAfut.fUoc+yksWvhu82Ie62HiOj0gNaymA+X1spe+h1pNdgaU+o2Qs9vE2LrD9pDraD72mXNMsk2VxTkp5COqKFjk5ymw7soAUl2HCyr+wz2Hrrujl0U+VM+P0EiybCcx9+eUfoF2o1DL5wihCgNhKgPruUFFuG1nZ.KMTOQ5zj7CkBY7Pof6ay.NAzJ94mCJarWZ.smViCbZ2r5DHDX1r4625kHKjov7Drj4ha+nekdd8Kzb35ZtY59kbt8cklM2J4UVnJ4e0w6xWU+qCTNQlp4hyOjgDUbb.5QoQdXgUe.QhP.gIloBVwTbLecCy57JqhfrEeDeFqroYsyXkMmn76xdDw7Ux23mOzpgKuVlDLtEY+AWM5gl0tWOmLk13QMvQwB3uw22jt+UL+TtOauD973kvmcVBe1cI742VBedxR3ySmqOllQ6kpkQ4WEQA86j8WCNNcDLjImw5I+GSIEOoB

any midi will work but here is one that i know for sure produces the bug

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gp95ijo69yxa4sz/test mid.mid?dl=0

audiolyf

Happens in Pro Tools as well

Adam_G

@audiolyf thanks for checking.

@Christoph-Hart you have 3 separate users with 3 different daws all reporting the same issue. clearly this is a bug in Hise. could you at least acknowledge if youre looking into it or not? youve been silent on this one :downcast_face_with_sweat:

trillbilly

@Adam_G I've had this happen in Ableton, FL as well as within HISE itself. Never figured out why or how it was happening.

audiolyf

@Adam_G I will try it out on FL Studio later too, turns out Pro Tools is just stuck note hell in general.

Lindon

@audiolyf said in Note Release - randomly gets stuck:

@Adam_G I will try it out on FL Studio later too, turns out Pro Tools is just stuck note hell in general.

Yeah I have users reporting this occasional problem - especially in ProFools...

audiolyf

@Lindon Do you have anything in place at all to prevent it? It's completely unusable imo, any time you stop the transport in the middle of a note it hangs and the plugin must be bypassed/unbypassed. Read some rumor about Pro Tools not using note-offs and instead translating it to velocity = 0 but I have no idea if that's true, it doesn't seem to make any difference having a sample map blank at 0 velocity. It's driving me nuts.

Lindon

@audiolyf

well this seems to help a bit...

const var th = Engine.createTransportHandler();

inline function onStop(isPlaying)
{
    if(!isPlaying)
    {
       Engine.allNotesOff();
    }
};
th.setOnTransportChange(true, onStop);

d.healey

@audiolyf said in Note Release - randomly gets stuck:

I will try it out on FL Studio later too, turns out Pro Tools is just stuck note hell in general.

Are you testing with the snippet and MIDI that @Adam_G posted?

Adam_G

@d-healey the midi really doesnt matter because it happens with any midi i use. i have quite a bit.

Adam_G

@Lindon said in Note Release - randomly gets stuck:

@audiolyf

well this seems to help a bit...

const var th = Engine.createTransportHandler();

inline function onStop(isPlaying)
{
    if(!isPlaying)
    {
       Engine.allNotesOff();
    }
};
th.setOnTransportChange(true, onStop);

@Lindon added this to my oninit but still happening unfortunately. should it be somewhere else?

Lindon

@Adam_G nope thats where it goes - it will help for held notes when the transport is stopped only...

Adam_G

@Lindon ah 10-4 thank you

d.healey

@Lindon Does it need to be in an undeferred script?

Lindon

@d-healey it is for me, but really the major issue here is these stuck notes in some DAWS (ProFools and FL Studio for a kick off..)

Adam_G

@Lindon said in Note Release - randomly gets stuck:

@d-healey it is for me, but really the major issue here is these stuck notes in some DAWS (ProFools and FL Studio for a kick off..)

abelton and cubase as well apparently :face_with_head-bandage:

Lindon

@Adam_G okay so here's a simple little trial - its trying to capture any

Velocity == 0

events and turn them into "real" note off events - try this with your midi file...

HiseSnippet 1479.3oc0X0raabCDdWKsoQJMAMAFE8HqQNHi5HK47SKZga7exABwN1wxwo2Ro1cVIBuK4VtT1QnH.4MnmxgbquC8ROFza8VeBJ5iPeAJZGtq9gahjijhS.pNHHxYFxu4+gZeovEhiERK6BG1MBrr+XmFc4p1a1lx3V02xx9hN6KgXPYsQ2HZbL3YYam6dZp1Exak74uu6Fz.J2EFtkk0QBlKrCKjoFt69qceVPv1TO3PVnA22Zs5tB9lh.QGDI4bpXEQcOl1Bd.Uy1bNV1WnlGSIjMTTEDaYmeCgW2FsEmxS4+HVLqY.nWT0pAdPoausHvSiX8tVa1lE3seeMN1xx1Y+g5etT8edmcYdrA6OzN7IIDHCkvzdXOWV3kKC7pZBuJFvaDPx1.R4SgzUcZ3JYQpgTz34RN04JP5SQytITR40ZteIuylBjCtpbH8XXaItXfDkt0sqrDYkaWYwuoXQzzGqHmPkDtPAGJQSOHIqRpwaw3PYWIfJkV42gEqJgRXvVYezgV5FUydN6PaBAUwinOBZApMEgQBNtnzBojWPKieGtqhI3DA+A3otGuzhE+whEX9jR6h5JFBnk8HHP3xTcKsH4aIUVrXAjEjmRl.QyFMnCXJm9HePmvlfrzhKR97UIHPQI0RWX4kaGFRBERfnZS0..RzeRSfwaQhBncAOBUgTARLFGRTXLa4xox1DTnojDqDQIL31QJQcKnahf5CPeVZdSRmJqWsmu+FcqcBxVcuoC5nkpPgmo+Z4kEGShEDI3Jjd3UyhSQMMNCvKm.TyKI9sbIKYreePldwEK7rhEz9jw3RVc0A9jkWlbZaAcIRa.sqmBjVBxVq+XRLv8zfKFiV5RNAjwnOOlH7SAuv2OAuuytThuPRnY7A3WbHwGEfmRpc47yoLcl3j7DTnzD.M+kVPAOUsvRjERLSn4AS4hiI.2UzQmsl3JKqUqTkI4n95EHeAYb3JIVQ6ydVQxqmd46mleM8nN6goyqkhf.Mc848Zj0U2GMkdBVJUOVBqVf27.FwRdYqi5L95nlk4cSKyXvnfWmyT6EA7wU72pWsIrlatdnB+kJoh6U5UwsQ.yCjVLrv5G4betnYUqD.2qy02+S+1+bWqIV3UxH7O+xW96Sgv2Liv+0C+0+7tVOp9VTEU2znmtf5WDHULsoydK3DrCbZKjBNaAwGiEqPK7fBwXu82p59zgMou9ZcGr34GsVn4D.y+pPpAqyuVTeKcc7v9TmFXTM4wzS.x8.NHonKtJ1iWhkUwXbMOW0YOWEx.FUxiiDwf1AMw.cESf5cF.sTVfVZ5A5kbZ.grCQfEmAhW3s5.GduuRlEhSMHtlSCppCRAypVOTWoXTlqK2CKIkaRfxEcRK8Xfkm+PCrf1tSYdp1Xlm8crsrZCrVsU5UyiD0kpRlFqYq9ypU3Bu3EuX0zg6diAWvQlDdcBz32bNJ8vi8HfvOyvK5AT3wXaEygKO2FtZRg3Uc1mobaOZLN2HvHlB99.i8FI8xN078AW0P.l2Y6u68y7mlW+URu9KkDOlzwL4xGS743edveLoOOHZhedvqWqvHZYX1ows8nXb.X3GNP6MM2eSAUNFRaiJ4HI7FYdFkjsycVOSo5L9Lk7uudlR9IKL4rg2+CR7y7ppB8wXCVXT.TieBNJKtiFiWC6S5S6Dn5ua135cEbQTaAm4ZFPb.njrVs.oI1GoBstRgybY1m7.H.nlAvWescv.OpDsSvLZKpN0uvbj9qOyIEtDcxH4cwu8AML6LKdmahJdeti2YuP94CTNPzQguGZWJFnhc9cvQ6af0RcADIbNDnmz1dNc8vz0UzqSp0guaKYw+he5QrpdscOhU6S7CxcDRckhm3lNyrNV9hI6f5MO4OJpfyt50jAio63TobEqPrh3Sbc0l6af1mQKyJyfL2bFj4VyfL2dFj4NyfLe4LHyWclxnaFsdGkHLMUD2X+ZIOZw1tFmhQxIQ8V+Gv2VnpH

Adam_G

@Lindon thanks for the help. just tested it in fl studio and its still happening :(

Lindon

@Adam_G well its not velocity == 0 events then...

Lindon

@Adam_G so when you say this:

"periodically while the exported vst is playing back midi in the daw a single note will get stuck and play for an extended time with no release. it seems to mostly happen with c5 and f5 for whatever reason"

this stuck note, it plays "forever"? i.e. it never gets a note off? Or it stops at some point? randomly? When another of the same note is triggered? when?

Note Release - randomly gets stuck

16

1.8k

10.4k

90.6k