.ch1 samples stop working in compiled VSTi (did i miss something?)

[Straticah]

@d-healey How do i know which paths work and which do not work? (because some did not work at least for me)

[d.healey]

@Straticah could you give me more context?

[Straticah]

@d-healey Honestly the expansions only worked without issues when set to AppData folder:

This custom path did not work on my mac expansions.

I have a couple questions:

• Does this "Locate Samples" menu work with expanions?
• We use expansion only - so i assume custom path looks for all exp. content?
• What is the "recommended way" of installing & moving expansions on user side?

Thank you in advance i should probably know more about expansions but i have worked with "baked in" samplemaps most of the time and this is new for me :)

[d.healey]

@Straticah said in .ch1 samples stop working in compiled VSTi (did i miss something?):

Does this "Locate Samples" menu work with expanions?

I'm not sure, it's been a long time since I used expansions. I think each expansion has its own Samples folder and own Link file.

[Straticah]

@d-healey This would make sense, but i have not found anything that confirms that.

If anybody can shine some light on how users can install/move expansions, this would help a ton.

[d.healey]

@Straticah I just checked with Rhapsody and each expansion does have its own Samples folder. I'm not using the encrypted expansions with Rhapsody but I suspect it will be the same.

[Straticah]

@d-healey Okay that makes sense - where/how does Rhapsody store and recall the locations of the users Expansion Samples? Is it custom or is HISE doing it via the the startup "overlay"?

[d.healey]

@Straticah There's a link file in each expansion's Samples folder that points to the location of the samples. I create the link file as part of my expansion install process, I also have scripted a system to allow the user to update it if they move the samples to another location.

[Christoph Hart]

@d-healey I think it also looks automatically in the global sample folder when the monolith can‘t be found in the expansion folder but it‘s also been ages that I‘ve used this myself.

I definitely tried to offer both sample location possibilities so you can decide whats more convenient for you.

[Straticah]

@Christoph-Hart Okay i will try to utilize the linker files and set path with them.

If it does not work maybe i can still read it and override HISE expansion search path via API.

If you have examples on how to set a custom expansion path for HISE lmk.

Will look into Rhapsody path handling aswell. @d-healey

[bendurso]

@Straticah What I do is this: when the user opens the plugin for the first time, I ask them where they want to store all the samples and save that path in a JSON file.

Then, during each expansion installation, when I call expHandler.installExpansionFromPackage, I always send the samples to that folder inside a new subfolder. The file link is created automatically by this function.

If the user later wants to change the location, I provide a master configuration option for relocating samples. So I call Expansion.setSampleFolder for all the expansions and change the path of the json file. This way, the user can simply move all expansions at once.

I analyzed different approaches a while back, and this one seemed the most reasonable.

[Lindon]

@Christoph-Hart said in .ch1 samples stop working in compiled VSTi (did i miss something?):

@d-healey I think it also looks automatically in the global sample folder when the monolith can‘t be found in the expansion folder but it‘s also been ages that I‘ve used this myself.

I definitely tried to offer both sample location possibilities so you can decide whats more convenient for you.

Yes I definitely need tthis facility of using the default samples link as we don't use separate folders for expansions, everything goes in the default AppData defined. Lnk folder

[Straticah]

Yes an example would be great i still dont understand 100% how it works.

@bendurso I have some troubles

What works: creating a .json with external samplepath that gets saved in AppData
What does not: using Expansion.setSampleFolder to tell HISE the path
Link Files: The link are not reliable on mac on my end - I have HISE_DEACTIVATE_OVERLAY=1 and tested/created the link files manually via the stock settings panel:

LinkOSX file

/Volumes/WD_BLACK/Music/Fraction/Samples (all ch1 files go here)

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>

<GLOBAL_SETTINGS DISK_MODE="0" SCALE_FACTOR="1.0" VOICE_AMOUNT_MULTIPLIER="2"
                 MIDI_CHANNELS="1" SAMPLES_FOUND="0" OPEN_GL="0"/>

Sometimes the link file worked (when using the settings panel) but sometimes it does not work...
Tested different folders, paths, locations etc. no pattern yet.

Edit:
I got sound when i removed all expansion content from AppData/Plugin/Expansion and pasted the LinkOSX file in my Expansion folder instead. :o

Worked, link file is needed in empty expansion folder and also in AppData root folder.

Thanks for the help guys tho this was quite hard as a first timer. :)

[bendurso]

@Straticah Yeah, this is my code to install the expansions (i'm actually saving other things on that json file, so that's why I used "SampleFolder" to retrieve it from the json)

var CompletePath;

inline function InstallPackage()
{
	local parentFolder = FileSystem.getFolder("../");
	local SampleFile = parentFolder.getChildFile("settings.json");
    local SampleObject = SampleFile.loadAsObject();
    
    local DirectoryFile = FileSystem.fromAbsolutePath(SampleObject.SampleFolder);
    
    CompletePath = DirectoryFile.createDirectory(InstrumentName);
      
    if (CompletePath.isDirectory())
    {       
           expHandler.installExpansionFromPackage(selectedInstrumentFile, CompletePath);  
    }
    else
    {
        Console.print("Could not create the installation directory.");
    }
}

When I use expHandler.installExpansionFromPackage, it creates the link file on expansion samples folder with the samples path. It always worked for me, and I never received a support ticket.

And then I created my own button to change the samples path on settings. This will change the sample paths for all the expansions.

inline function onbtnChangeSamplesDirectoryControl(component, value)
{
    if (value)
    {
        FileSystem.browseForDirectory("", function(selectedFolder)
        {
            if (selectedFolder)
            {
                if (selectedFolder.hasWriteAccess())
                {
                    var path = selectedFolder.toString(0);
                    currentSampleFolderPath = path;

                    var notFound = [];

                    for (e in expHandler.getExpansionList())
                    {
                        var name = e.getProperties().Name;
                        var fullPath = path + "/" + name;
                        var folderObject = FileSystem.fromAbsolutePath(fullPath);

                        if (folderObject.isDirectory())
                        {
                            e.setSampleFolder(folderObject);
                        }
                        else
                        {
                            notFound.push(name);
                        }
                    }

                    if (notFound.length > 0)
                    {
                        Console.print("Not found");
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        Console.print("All sample folders updated successfully");
                    }
                }
                else
                {
                    Console.print("The selected folder can't be accessed due to insufficient write permissions. Please choose a different folder.");
                }
            }
        });
    }
};

Content.getComponent("btnChangeSamplesDirectory").setControlCallback(onbtnChangeSamplesDirectoryControl);