@d-healey yea I think I remember seeing this but didn't read all the way through...interesting...so far in my situation it's working fine...doing a bunch of tests over the weekend.....its a tempo knob that I programmed to change the bpm of a midi player and I just would need(the end user) to bypass saveinpreset on that knob temporarily to audition loop presets outside of the bpm that's saved into the preset...but been poking around on it all day hadn't had any issues so far...