Phase offset not working - when retriggered by DAW playback?

[Straticah]

Hey there we got feedback that ppl would like the filter LFO to start at at a low and not a high.

I thought shifting the phase by 50% would do the trick.

...but nothing shifts on my output?

The thumbnail suggests the setting is correct?

Minimal snippet that i cant get to start at "low" when pressing play...

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[dannytaurus]

@Straticah LFO Phase works fine for me. It sets the phase at which it retriggers on note-on.

Try making another snippet where the LFO is inside a sound generator instead of the master chain.

[Straticah]

@dannytaurus hm interesting, the goal is to have it on the master/filter and retrig on DAW playback (like it does now) - unrelated to any MIDI input.

If it works on note input thats cool, but its on the master intentionally.

[dannytaurus]

@Straticah There was a bug using LFO in the Master Chain. I don't know if the fix has been merged yet. Might be related.

EDIT: here it is: https://github.com/christophhart/HISE/pull/891

[Straticah]

@dannytaurus i tried your approach and for me its not working in a synth either is it for you using the snippet? Then it might be that my HISE version is too old and this bug is fixed.

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[dannytaurus]

@Straticah You have a 1000ms fade-in in your snippet. Change it to 0ms and you should see the phase works as expected.

But there does seem to be a weird interaction between Phase and FadeIn. With Phase at 50% and a short 20ms FadeIn time, the resulting LFO shape is unexpected.

[Straticah]

@dannytaurus Ah cool! Yes i kept the fade at default i was not really sure what that does tbh :)

[Straticah]

@dannytaurus Seems to still not work on playback:

I have your settings but when i press "play" it will always start at a high and completely ignore the phase offset on my end.

Pressing keys correctly resets it - but the playback does not for some reason?

[Oli Ullmann]

@Straticah
That doesn't work within HISE. But it does work in the compiled plug-in. At least on a Mac.

[Straticah]

@Oli-Ullmann interesting, i need to try that!

[Straticah]

@Oli-Ullmann on win its retrig on "high" state eventho LFO phase is offset to 50%.

i guess if it works on mac it does not on windows?
will do a test on mac now aswell.

[Straticah]

@Oli-Ullmann same on mac here (retrig on high eventho phase offset at 50%)

[Straticah]

@Oli-Ullmann @dannytaurus can anybody of you confirm that this works in HISE or compiled?
On my end it was definitely not (win/mac screenshots above)

LFO with these settings:

Temposync ON
Clocksync ON
Loop ON
Fade 0
Smooth 0
PhaseOffset 50%

Hitting "PLAY" in HISE or DAW should reset the LFO loop.

It does reset - but phase seems unchanged no Matter the setting here...