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    • David HealeyD
      David Healey @Jeetender
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      @Jeetender said in Rms type or Cosine type Crossfade Curves:

      i have a wet and and dry module in HISE

      Can you tell me more about what you are doing because there might be an easier way to achieve what you want.

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        Jeetender @David Healey
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        @David-Healey iam just trying to create a wet dry balance between the two gain modules. iam not using scriptfx node. the earlier script moved the knobs in opposite direction but it was checking the peak volume, so at 50% the overall gain would just goo silent..

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        • David HealeyD
          David Healey @Jeetender
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          @Jeetender Have you tried using the send container and send effect for this instead?

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            Jeetender @David Healey
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            @David-Healey no i did not, but the thing is there, i still have to balance between the send or wet with Dry. there is no direct wet dry balance in the modules...

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            • David HealeyD
              David Healey @Jeetender
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              @Jeetender What about setting the Gain of the SimpleGain where you want it and using a CC modulator to control the actual value (you can connect the Default value knob to a UI knob, you don't actually need to use a CC). Then you could set any shape you want using the modulation tables.

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              • griffinboyG
                griffinboy @Jeetender
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                @Jeetender

                Wet / Dry balance is done using a sin / cosine curve usually.
                You don't need to do any RMS calculations for an equal power curve.

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                • griffinboyG
                  griffinboy @Jeetender
                  last edited by griffinboy

                  @Jeetender

                  This is pseudo code.
                  It's something like this

                  // Equal-power wet/dry crossfade (pseudocode)
                  
                  // knob range
                  value = 0 to 127
                  
                  // normalize
                  t = value / 127.0
                  
                  
                  // equal-power law
                  // sin/cos keep total power constant
                  wet_lin = sin(t * PI * 0.5)
                  dry_lin = cos(t * PI * 0.5)
                  
                  
                  // linear → dB
                  // dB = 20 * log10(gain)
                  // log10(x) = ln(x) / ln(10)
                  
                  wet_db = 20 * ln(wet_lin) / ln(10)
                  dry_db = 20 * ln(dry_lin) / ln(10)
                  
                  
                  // clamp near zero (avoid -inf)
                  if (wet_lin < 0.00001) wet_db = -100
                  if (dry_lin < 0.00001) dry_db = -100
                  
                  
                  // apply
                  WET.Gain = wet_db
                  DRY.Gain = dry_db
                  
                  
                  
                  /*
                  Behaviour:
                  
                  t=0
                  dry=1.0  (0 dB)
                  wet=0.0  (-inf)
                  
                  t=0.5
                  dry≈0.707 (-3 dB)
                  wet≈0.707 (-3 dB)
                  
                  Summed signal power stays constant across the crossfade,
                  so the centre position does not sound quieter.
                  
                  

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                    Jeetender @David Healey
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                    @David-Healey this works good but still the same issue, at 50% the volume is not constant.

                    said in Rms type or Cosine type Crossfade Curves:

                    @Jeetender What about setting the Gain of the SimpleGain where you want it and using a CC modulator to control the actual value (you can connect the Default value knob to a UI knob, you don't actually need to use a CC). Then you could set any shape you want using the modulation tables.

                    611b63e8-5067-43ea-baa5-1cd17ee08750-image.png

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                    • David HealeyD
                      David Healey @Jeetender
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                      @Jeetender said in Rms type or Cosine type Crossfade Curves:

                      this works good but still the same issue, at 50% the volume is not constant.

                      Have you used an equal power curve?

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                        Jeetender @griffinboy
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                        @griffinboy chatgpt or other bots aren't familiar with HISE coding yet i believe.. they just get confused with parameters.

                        said in Rms type or Cosine type Crossfade Curves:

                        @Jeetender

                        This is pseudo code.
                        It's something like this

                        // Equal-power wet/dry crossfade (pseudocode)
                        
                        // knob range
                        value = 0 to 127
                        
                        // normalize
                        t = value / 127.0
                        
                        
                        // equal-power law
                        // sin/cos keep total power constant
                        wet_lin = sin(t * PI * 0.5)
                        dry_lin = cos(t * PI * 0.5)
                        
                        
                        // linear → dB
                        // dB = 20 * log10(gain)
                        // log10(x) = ln(x) / ln(10)
                        
                        wet_db = 20 * ln(wet_lin) / ln(10)
                        dry_db = 20 * ln(dry_lin) / ln(10)
                        
                        
                        // clamp near zero (avoid -inf)
                        if (wet_lin < 0.00001) wet_db = -100
                        if (dry_lin < 0.00001) dry_db = -100
                        
                        
                        // apply
                        WET.Gain = wet_db
                        DRY.Gain = dry_db
                        
                        
                        
                        /*
                        Behaviour:
                        
                        t=0
                        dry=1.0  (0 dB)
                        wet=0.0  (-inf)
                        
                        t=0.5
                        dry≈0.707 (-3 dB)
                        wet≈0.707 (-3 dB)
                        
                        Summed signal power stays constant across the crossfade,
                        so the centre position does not sound quieter.
                        
                        

                        This is the kind of question that AI can help you understand.
                        Ask chat gpt about it until you get why it works!

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                        • griffinboyG
                          griffinboy @Jeetender
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                          @Jeetender

                          Right but the math works the same way.
                          All you need to do is find the right hise functions in the API for the math calls.

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