How to make Mid-Side processing?
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@orange This is what I said above, "It is working just fine on my side"
The last snippet has two PAR EQ, when I solo M or S, everything works, boost AND cut, and they're not modifying each other...I can't help pressing F5 in the forum...
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@ustk the problem I'm facing is no audio coming out
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@ustk Thanks man, I will try the latest snippet deeply,
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@ustk said in How to make Mid-Side processing?:
@orange This is what I said above, "It is working just fine on my side"
The last snippet has two PAR EQ, when I solo M or S, everything works, boost AND cut, and they're not modifying each other...I used the latest snippet directly, without editing. I faced same issue with @Jay , there is no sound in the exported plugin. Also nomally this snippet weirdly works but when I compile the GUI, sound becomes zero. LR gain sets zero, also Mid button on the GUI, is not working. You can try and see the issue with importing your snippet (not from project file)
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@orange I was starting to believe that it was me doing it wrong, but I guess not
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I thought the snippet I posted didn't have the MS button sorry, just don't use it because I haven't fully connected it so it behaves weirdly…
Did you add a wav in the sampler?
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@ustk it didn't work.
Is this supposed to a VSTi or VST (Instrument or Plugin)?
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I think we'll need an intervention from the master @Christoph-Hart
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A VSTi if you have a sampler inside obviously...
Please try standalone first, that's the easiest…
I honestly don't understand why it doesn't work for you guys, it is just routings and a sampler, there no reason something weird is happening in that part -
@ustk but why don't you post your working snippet?
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Hum… I did it approximately 5 times in this thread… and all of them are working for me, in Hise and once exported. Do you think I am giving you something that doesn't work while I am working with something else?
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@ustk I can confirm only the mid work in standalone but no the sides, but I think we don't need it to work as an instrument we need it as a plugin.
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I think @ustk code is ok, but there is a weird bug that we can't find yet.
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Ok...
I replaced the sampler for a synth with stereo content, so you don't need to care of the source anymore...
I added 2 buttons just to switch on/off an EQ on Mid, and on Side so you can hear they are affected independentlyI tested as standalone => it works perfectly
I tested as VSTi in Pro Tools (via Bluecat Patchwork) AND compared to another M/S plugin (Brainworx bx_meter) placed on the same track, just after my M/S plugin, in order to solo the two signals => it works perfectly with NO difference between the two plugins
The EQs are NOT affecting each other in any possible way, in Hise, Standalone, and VSTi...
The Hise version I am using is in my signature
Here is the snippet I used, exactly the one I used, with no modifications:
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@ustk for me it only works as standalone but not plugin
Joansi Villalona
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is everybody on the same platform? @ustk seems to be on MacOS
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@ustk @Jay said in How to make Mid-Side processing?:
@ustk for me it only works as standalone but not plugin
Ok I found the cause. I deleted the master routing matrix 11-12 and 13-14 lines (only set to 1-2) and put 2 routers for those channels to link 1-2 at the end of the chain. It works on windows for fx plugins now :) For Fx plugins, you need to put Router in the fx chain, do not wire lines on the master router matrix. It can work on instruments but it doesn't work on fx plugins. Now there you go ;)
QUICK TIP: If the main VU meters on the Hise interface (right top) isn't active, that means your output won't work even it sounds in Hise (for fx plugins). In previous snippets, Hise master vu meters aren't picking. But now, after puting routers, they do.
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@orange Glad you found a solution
Effectively I worked only VSTi here
The main meter is only connected to 1-2 -
@orange I hear a double signal coming out, is this because we're merging ch 1 + 2 + 11 + 12?
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@Jay Yeah it needs to be like that. But don't forget that, if you put a unit to the mid or side section, and if the unit has a latency, you can hear double. Because one section comes a little bit behind from the other one.
For example, Hise dynamics compressor has a big latency if you set the attack above the 50 ms. So let's say if you put this compressor only mid, then sides will come 50 ms earlier and you will hear doubled sound.
