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    • Christoph HartC
      Christoph Hart @DanH
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      @DanH The logic is as follows:

      • any matrix modulator will show up in the target list with its ID unless
      • the matrix modulator has its matrixTargetId property defined. In that case it will override the ID showing up in the target list.

      You can use that for multiple scenarios:

      • use multiple matrix modulators with the same target ID. This will work and if you add a connection, it will add the connection to all targets as well as automatically sync all properties (intensity, inverted, etc).
      • use a prettified matrix target list if your ID naming system is too cryptic (eg. Synth1GainModulator)...

      So perhaps I can scrap the original pitch module and just use the new MatrixMod

      Exactly. As soon as you connect a UI knob to a matrix modulator, it will control its value parameter (with sets the "base" value of the modulation signal). In order to ensure that the modulation display rings work correctly you need to set the UI knob range to the same range as the InputRange of the modulator.

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      • DanHD
        DanH @Christoph Hart
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        @Christoph-Hart

        Ideally this would be a API method of the ScriptModulationMatrix (something like mm.setHoverPopupPersistence(true) or something.

        Is this a thing yet?

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart @DanH
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          @DanH no it's unfortunately not an easy change because this component was designed with the hover state behavior in mind:

          • it's exclusive so it will only show a single component (when you hover over another slider it will hide the previous one)
          • there's no logic to check for collision
          • since it is built / destroyed at hover / exit I don't need to care about it being synchronized to the data model to react on connection changes etc.

          For a persistent UI component that shows the matrix connections of a single UI knob you might be able to use the matrix floating tile - if you set its ProcessorId to the ID of the matrix modulator you're targeting, it will only show the connections that match the target and with some CSSing you can shovel away all the things you don't want to show.

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          • DanHD
            DanH @Christoph Hart
            last edited by

            @Christoph-Hart

            For a persistent UI component that shows the matrix connections of a single UI knob you might be able to use the matrix floating tile - if you set its ProcessorId to the ID of the matrix modulator you're targeting, it will only show the connections that match the target and with some CSSing you can shovel away all the things you don't want to show.

            I guess this would negate the benefit of the source selection callback, to show only the selected modulation dragers?

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            • DanHD
              DanH @DanH
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              @Christoph-Hart With the Source Select callback the default selection seems to be the first modulator in the list. Is there a way to script this to a different one?

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              • Christoph HartC
                Christoph Hart @DanH
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                @DanH I don't understand - what's got the selection callback have to do with it?

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                • DanHD
                  DanH @Christoph Hart
                  last edited by

                  @Christoph-Hart well for example I'm showing the relevant tabs depending on which source is selected but when I reopen the project it defaults to the first in the list and displays that tab and that button is highlighted.

                  or are you referring to my other question? šŸ˜†

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                  • Christoph HartC
                    Christoph Hart @DanH
                    last edited by

                    @DanH yes I meant the previous question.

                    With the Source Select callback the default selection seems to be the first modulator in the list. Is there a way to script this to a different one?

                    Can't you just call

                    ScriptModulationMatrix.setCurrentlySelectedSource(String sourceId)
                    

                    with an empty string?

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                    • DanHD
                      DanH @Christoph Hart
                      last edited by DanH

                      @Christoph-Hart Thanks, will try. (worked great šŸ‘ )

                      So for the persistent UI modulation dragger - The source selection callback can show only the draggers relevant to the selection. If we create permanent ui controls we'd lose the current system of showing / hiding the draggers depending on the selection.

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                      • Christoph HartC
                        Christoph Hart @DanH
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                        If we create permanent ui controls we'd lose the current system of showing / hiding the draggers depending on the selection.

                        Can't you use the callback to hide the controls?

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                        • DanHD
                          DanH @Christoph Hart
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                          @Christoph-Hart yeah. I dunno, If I have 100 controls that can be a target do I then need to make (100 x each source) draggers and show / hide them with the callback? Apologies if I'm being dumb about this!

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                          • DanHD
                            DanH @DanH
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                            A suggestion: would it make sense to switch the mouse cursor to up / down arrows when hovering on a modulation dragger?

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                            • DanHD
                              DanH @DanH
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                              @Christoph-Hart so is it not possible to have a monophonic MatrixModule? Something we could use at the container level in it's fx chain? If we can have global time variant modulators I don't see why we can't have a Matrixmod...

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                              • Oli UllmannO
                                Oli Ullmann @DanH
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                                @DanH
                                Christoph told me in this thread that the modulation is monophonic if you only use the ā€œmatrixTargetIdā€ from the Properties Editor and don't use a matrixModulatorModule. Maybe that's what you want.

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                                @Christoph-Hart @Orvillain Thanks, guys, that's very interesting and helpfu! :-)

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                                • Christoph HartC
                                  Christoph Hart @DanH
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                                  @DanH the problem is that containers also donā€˜t split up the buffer for midi messages and process them so this would be a little too much overhead for all projects to change this, but Iā€˜ll see what I can do.

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                                  • DanHD
                                    DanH @Oli Ullmann
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                                    @Oli-Ullmann yup but also want sample accurate modulation.

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                                    • DanHD
                                      DanH @Christoph Hart
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                                      @Christoph-Hart awesome thank you šŸ¤—

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                                      • DanHD
                                        DanH @Christoph Hart
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                                        @Christoph-Hart said in Matrix Modulation Feedback:

                                        @DanH the problem is that containers also donā€˜t split up the buffer for midi messages and process them so this would be a little too much overhead for all projects to change this, but Iā€˜ll see what I can do.

                                        Did this get anywhere in the end?

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                                        • DanHD
                                          DanH @DanH
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                                          @Christoph-Hart quick question about modulation ranges: let's say I have a hardcoded synth with a pitch knob of +/- 24 but on my UI I have a pitch knob to control it of only +/- 12.... If I connect a modulator which range is it going to be using?

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                                          • Christoph HartC
                                            Christoph Hart @DanH
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                                            @DanH you set the input / output ranges of the matrix modulator to match the pitch modulation range - the knob on your UI must exactly match the input range, and the output range must be the correct range representing the input range in the modulation domain.

                                            There are two presets for +-12 and +-24 semitones that you can directly use.

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