Custom Envelope?

[d.healey]

@Morphoice

Yeah doesn't seem to do anything. I wonder if it even alters the sound?

[Morphoice]

@d-healey that it does. but it's not suitable to display that to a user if it doesn't reflect in the graphic

[d.healey]

@Morphoice said in Custom Envelope?:

if it doesn't reflect in the graphic

Yeah, so in this case I think a bug report and a simple fix from Christoph is the solution.

So what other improvements does it need to not be "subpar"?

I think a release curve control would be very useful.

Christoph also mentioned a while back about adding a Kontakt style flexible envelope, which would be very nice.

[Morphoice]

@d-healey hell yeah! that would be superb. A release curve is a start though, especially helpful to emulate analog envelopes.
For me in particular i'd love to be able to set a start and end value, not just an attack level. It might even be helpful to have negative values or be able to invert the curve, although this might be what the bipolar setting means, I could never figure out what it does

[griffinboy]

@Morphoice

Create a bug* report.
The envelopes really do need some love.
I am working on my own custom envelope code for hise, but it's not going to be ready soon.

[tomekslesicki]

@Morphoice you can use the cable table node to customize the envelope shapes, including inversion :-)

[Morphoice]

@tomekslesicki yeah but that's not really easily controllable by knobs, if at all, is it?

[tomekslesicki]

@Morphoice no, but what I meant is that you can connect the CV out of the envelope to the control table and get customised curves this way.

[Matt_SF]

@Morphoice I just remembered there was somewhere a custom envelope made by @aaronventure.
I managed to find it:

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Maybe this will help

[Straticah]

@griffinboy yeah i usually never use the adsr display because its more confusing for the user than just displaying 4 ADSR dials with no display.

It also looks a little bit outdated. (Massive from year 2006 had a simmilar envelope like HISE) - ADSR is no longer just for representation - all major DAWs support draggable ADSR curves with dots and handles to bend the splines. (images attached)

Good examples for adsr implementation imo are Serum, Vital, Bitwig, Fabfilter Twin

[Morphoice]

@Matt_SF that's cool but sadly not knob controllable either.

god I wish the oscillators would be drawable like that table control

[Matt_SF]

@Morphoice Actually you can. It looks ugly as hell but here's an example if you want a 'classic' envelope witha decay curve:

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Edit: And this is a 'classic' custom envelope (sorry for the ugly quick code) :

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[Morphoice]

@Matt_SF thats a skilled scriptnode use, but I was thinking about something more robust like the aforementioned Serum or Vital envelopes. That would be a blast to have in HISE.

[d.healey]

@Morphoice I think it's a very good feature request, along with the flex envelope.

[Morphoice]

@d-healey vital is open source btw, a skilled programmer might learn a lot from a look at it, unfortunately it's beyond my skills, nor do I know how to write modules for HISE. The main thing to get right would probably be the user experience/interface

[Straticah]

@d-healey said in Custom Envelope?:

I think it's a very good feature request, along with the flex envelope.

I took the time to set up a mockup if you wanna post a feature request. @Morphoice let me know if it needs any changes, i tried to stick to the HISE styleguide and made sure we dont crop the envelope to soon so it allows to display the full handles and not crop them like on HISEs other displays.

[Morphoice]

@Straticah brilliant!
Knobs for all the curve slope ( with 50% being linear), although the strength of the slope would be open for discussion. Some synthesizers aren't taking it far enough.
To make it versatile for filters it would be nice to have an initial level, sort of like the Yamaha CS synths did it.

And when we're at it it wouldn't hurt to have the abillity for the Attack Level and the Hold Level to be seperate levels to enable a forced countouring of the sound no matter of its note length. Especially useful for one shots like drums.

[aaronventure]

@Straticah You can already do this by extrapolating on the example that @Matt_SF posted (which apparently I created).

• use a panel so you can define your own control scheme
• have clearly defined separate stages: attack, hold, decay, sustain, release
• curve setting uses skew and is done on the graph
• timing can be done on the graph and using the knobs
• based on the curve, set the points in the hidden tables which are connected to the backend tables (or which references you just pulled)

Because you're using skew which is just Math.pow(input, skew), you can easily draw the correct envelope.

The great thing about scriptnode is that you can define as many stages as necessary, and using the new compare node, you can easily move between stages when they're finished, so that their size can be fully dynamic. You would do this by using ramps for stages, plugging the ramp output into a compare node which would return 1 when a ramp is 1, setting off another ramp. And there's your flex envelope.

[Matt_SF]

@aaronventure said in Custom Envelope?:

@Straticah You can already do this by extrapolating on the example that @Matt_SF posted (which apparently I created).

Yes, here :
https://forum.hise.audio/topic/8685/merry-christmas-polyphonic-flex-envelope?_=1707308327466

:)
Nice job BTW

[Straticah]

@aaronventure yeah there are some workarounds. A draggable and skewable envelope should be default in HISE and native (no code).