Global Modulator within Containers



  • it's possible to add a Global Modulator within a Container? Only seems to work at root level



  • @hisefilo Yes of course. Do you have an example?



  • @d-healey

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  • @hisefilo I see the problem. You have added the global modulation container below the place you want to use the modulators. You have to follow the chain from the top down.

    I always put my global modulation container right at the top of the project then every module below it will have access to the modulators.

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  • @d-healey that worked out!!! now I can't add an ADSR the same way! Any idea?

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  • I think this might be an oversight @Christoph-Hart? Either envelopes aren't supposed to be used globally or the option to add a global envelope is missing from the Create new processor >> Envelopes menu.



  • if i say well (not sure - Christoph will confirm) it's not possible to use envelopes as global modulator.
    Instead of this i create many envelopes as i want, after that i link all AHDSR parts with the same slider (or knob) by script (and don't fill the processor ID for the slider/knob)
    result: 1 Attack slider controls all attack enveloppes linked, 1 decay knob controls all decays, etc. ...; but it's invisible for the user. 😉

    for example i made a synth ala juno Roland: only 1 adsr enveloppes GUI but that control both VCF & VCA. i made VCF and VCA filter enveloppes, linked both, controlled by only one set of ADSR sliders on the GUI. Like the real hardware.

    another case: when you want to create just an ADSR (instead of AHDSR) : you can link the Hold and decay for just 1 button slider.



  • @staiff will try that!!! Thanks. In fact I'm trying to do an oscillator bank.... The hard way
    Maybe I need more scripting skills


  • administrators

    Yes, envelopes are not allowed in Global modulators because they have the ability to extend the lifetime of voices which leads to all kinds of weird edge cases. There's a blog entry about this subject where I explain it.


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