Drum synthesis?

[Morphoice]

Has anyone ever synthesized good drum sounds using HISE or faust?
I'm thinking 808 style kick/snare...

I've done a few experiments synthesizing oscillators and envelopes according to the original 808 circuit specs but it sounds nothing like it...

I'm wondering if anyone else has come up with something usable so far or whether I'm walking towards a dead end with stock HISE modules and oscillators

[d.healey]

@Morphoice https://www.sampleson.com/haptic-perc.html#purchase

[Morphoice]

@d-healey Came across this post which has some nice attempts, but I cant get it to output sounds
I only ever get a kick
https://forum.hise.audio/topic/1686/808-snippet-toying-around?_=1734263933010

[Morphoice]

@d-healey never mind that the routing was disabled on the other instruments in that snippet. ... however it's exactly the same state I'm at sound-wise

[clevername27]

@Morphoice I've been doing drum synthesis with additive synthesis. Hit me up over DM if you want to discuss. There's an also a new snippet to get you started. Faust's physical modelling toolkit is also a good starting point.

[sletz]

@clevername27 said in Drum synthesis?:

@Morphoice I've been doing drum synthesis with additive synthesis. Hit me up over DM if you want to discuss. There's an also a new snippet to get you started. Faust's physical modelling toolkit is also a good starting point.

• Simple examples here: https://faustlibraries.grame.fr/libs/synths/#drum-synthesis
• https://punklabs.com plugins with Faust sources code
• https://faust.grame.fr/community/powered-by-faust/#drumvoice
• https://faust.grame.fr/community/powered-by-faust/#drty-drums
  ...etc..

[Mighty23]

@clevername27 said in Drum synthesis?:

Faust's physical modelling toolkit is also a good starting point.

+1 on this.

[clevername27]

@Morphoice Also, @Christoph-Hart kindly wrote a new Snippet specifically creating a drum synthesiser within HISE. Check it out, and thank you @Christoph-Hart.

[Morphoice]

@Mighty23 it very much depends on the type of drum sound you want to make, I guess... haven't had any luck on a convincing 808 snare so far

[Morphoice]

@clevername27 @Mighty23 @d-healey
layering multiple envelopes (the ADHSR isn't flexible enough, especially too little control over the curve) this is the closest I can get to my 808 at the moment. (really hoping for a new envelope here)

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I reckon with a little tweaking and more time, I can get closer but making all those parameters adjustable in a single slider within the values they sound good will be quite a journey, but I guess this proves it's doable with a lot of effort and comparison to the original and its circuit behavior...

The kick is the easy part though - I don't really want to think about modeling that cowbell lol

[clevername27]

@Morphoice There are tools that can help decompose audio into partial for, and indicate the envelopes, etc. However, you can be incredibly sloppy, without anyone knowing the difference—think about AAC files, where 90% of the data can be removed, and it sounds the same. Focus on the few variables that matter, cognitively.

There are many ways in HISE to continuously control the amplitude of channels, relatively efficiently.

[Morphoice]

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[Morphoice]

@clevername27 well at least the GUI is up to speed. I'm getting there ;))

[griffinboy]

@Morphoice

The 808 circuit is pretty complicated. There is a great research paper which accurately simulates one of the drums from this machine but it was done through component modelling.

I think the paper was by Kurt James Werner.
But it's heavy stuff.

[Morphoice]

@griffinboy I love Stanford papers :)

[Morphoice]

@griffinboy https://dafx14.fau.de/papers/dafx14_kurt_james_werner_a_physically_informed,_ci.pdf
shall we give it a go? ;)))
Although I'm quite happy with the sound of my 808 kick, this is probably overkill no one will ever pay for ;) I highly doubt even Roland's own plugin does this kind of modeling