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    • LindonL
      Lindon @d.healey
      last edited by Lindon

      @d-healey said in Change panorama position of a noteOn Message:

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      Change specific samples "pan"

      Is there a way to set a specific samples "pan", in the sampler, via scripting? like the way you can do with the gain Message.setGain()

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      yeah thats about modulating the output of the sampler with a random value - this thread seems to me to be more about assigning specific notes to specific positions...unless I'm misunderstanding this.

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      • FrankbeatF
        Frankbeat @Lindon
        last edited by

        @Lindon Yes, you understood correctly.

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        • d.healeyD
          d.healey
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          Yeah I think this would be a useful addition as well.

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          • FrankbeatF
            Frankbeat
            last edited by Frankbeat

            This would be really cool! I'm looking forward to develop a keyboard mapped synthetic tom that I made in Kontakt. And I found this feature by accident but it turned out to be a very crucial parameter of this instrument.

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            • ulrikU
              ulrik @Frankbeat
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              @Frankbeat if you are using a sampler, you can do this but it's not recommended to do it in the NoteOn callback, but you could make a function to spread the pan for each sample in the sampler and save this in the sample map.
              Or you could connect the function to a "spread" knob and set it but not while playing.

              I use this script for one of my sampled instruments, it's only 16 notes and each note has it's own pan knob, but you could modify this script to your likings of course

              //  Pan --------------------------------------
              inline function onPanKnbsControl(component, value)
              {
                  //  Selects all samples
                  Sampler1.selectSounds("");
              
                  //  get number of samples selected
                  local NUMSelected = Sampler1.getNumSelectedSounds();
                  
                  // lookup array (note numbers)
                  local indexList = ["48", "50", "52", "53", "55", "57", "59",
                  "60", "62", "64", "65", "67", "69", "71", "72"];
                  
                  for (i = 0; i < NUMSelected; i++)
                  {
                      local index = PanKnbs.indexOf(component);
                      local root = Sampler1.getSoundProperty(Sampler1.Root, i);
                      Console.print(root);
                              
                      if (root == indexList[index])
                      {
                          Sampler1.setSoundProperty(i, Sampler1.Pan, PanKnbs[index].getValue());
                      }
                  }
              }
              
              for (p in PanKnbs)
              {
                  p.setControlCallback(onPanKnbsControl);
              }
              

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              • FrankbeatF
                Frankbeat @ulrik
                last edited by

                @ulrik Wow… thank you! I will have to investigate this but no, I'm not dependent on using the onNoteOn callback for making it happen… Only purpose is to be able to set the stereo width across the keyboard. So, your example reads very promising on first glance. I'll report!

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                • d.healeyD
                  d.healey @Lindon
                  last edited by

                  @Lindon said in Change panorama position of a noteOn Message:

                  @d-healey said in Change panorama position of a noteOn Message:

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                  Change specific samples "pan"

                  Is there a way to set a specific samples "pan", in the sampler, via scripting? like the way you can do with the gain Message.setGain()

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                  yeah thats about modulating the output of the sampler with a random value - this thread seems to me to be more about assigning specific notes to specific positions...unless I'm misunderstanding this.

                  If I remember correctly you can use a simple gain module and change the balance knob per note.

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                  • ulrikU
                    ulrik @Frankbeat
                    last edited by ulrik

                    @Frankbeat I would do it something like this

                    Pan/Note Test

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                    • FrankbeatF
                      Frankbeat @ulrik
                      last edited by

                      @ulrik said in Change panorama position of a noteOn Message:

                      @Frankbeat I would do it something like this

                      Pan/Note Test

                      Thank you very much!
                      What is that Timer Object for? Is it a workaround to omit a call from onNoteOn?

                      Using HISE from the develop branch (Feb '23)

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                      • Christoph HartC
                        Christoph Hart @Frankbeat
                        last edited by

                        You need a stereo fx with a scripted voice start modulator.

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                        • ulrikU
                          ulrik @Frankbeat
                          last edited by

                          @Frankbeat you don't need the timer, it's just there for the visual meters in this example.

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                          • FrankbeatF
                            Frankbeat @ulrik
                            last edited by Frankbeat

                            @ulrik If I want to apply the same panorama settings to a Sampler2, would this be a more complex operation?
                            I have tried to just duplicate the setSoundProperty call like:

                            	    Sampler1.setSoundProperty(i, Sampler1.Pan, pan);
                            	    Sampler2.setSoundProperty(i, Sampler2.Pan, pan);
                            
                            

                            But that doesn't work. It makes the knob have no effect anymore.

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                            • ulrikU
                              ulrik @Frankbeat
                              last edited by

                              @Frankbeat with the same knob?
                              Can I see your code?

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                              • FrankbeatF
                                Frankbeat @ulrik
                                last edited by Frankbeat

                                @ulrik Yes, both with the same knob. Here is the function (script references for Sampler1 and Sampler2 are given, but not shown here):

                                const spreadKnb=Content.getComponent('spread');
                                inline function onSpreadKnb(component, value) {
                                	Sampler1.selectSounds('');
                                	local NumSelected = Sampler1.getNumSelectedSounds();
                                	local sampleRoots = [];
                                	for (r = 0; r < NumSelected; r++) sampleRoots.push(Sampler1.getSoundProperty(Sampler1.Root, r));
                                	sampleRoots.sort();
                                
                                	local lowestNote = sampleRoots[0];
                                	local highestNote = sampleRoots[sampleRoots.length - 1];
                                	
                                	local range = highestNote - lowestNote;
                                	local centerNote = lowestNote + range/2;
                                	
                                	local step = 150 / range;
                                	
                                //	Note numbers of both maps are:
                                //	45,46,47,48,49,50,51,   52,   53,54,55,56,57,58,59];
                                	
                                	//	Spread from the center and out
                                	for (i = 0; i < 59; i++) {
                                	    pan = (-(52-sampleRoots[i])) * value;
                                	    Sampler1.setSoundProperty(i, Sampler1.Pan, pan);
                                	    Sampler2.setSoundProperty(i, Sampler2.Pan, pan);
                                	}
                                };	spreadKnb.setControlCallback(onSpreadKnb);
                                

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                                • ulrikU
                                  ulrik @Frankbeat
                                  last edited by

                                  @Frankbeat You can't have the same variables for both samplers, you have to duplicate them and also have a separate for-loop for the Sampler2 samples
                                  also Sampler2.selectSounds('');

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                                  • FrankbeatF
                                    Frankbeat @ulrik
                                    last edited by

                                    @ulrik Alright, now it works… Thank you very much, again!

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                                    • Christoph HartC
                                      Christoph Hart @Frankbeat
                                      last edited by

                                      Changing the sample properties like this might lead to a few edge case issues (eg. if you load a sample map in a preset and then change the pan it might cause order-of-initialization issues), also it's a very heavyweight operation so you can't automate it.

                                      The stereo FX with scripted voice start modulator solution looks like this:

                                      HiseSnippet 1431.3oc2X0saSbDEd1jLoXCkBnnpJ0aFg5ENTvX2BoUBghyeFYAArxF9oWglr6wwixtyrc1wgXPU8l97zWgxiPeDZeC3Mn8Lyt1dcvJXaU.Q8EIdNybly2424bbasJ.RSUZhWo86m.DuKP86KMc2pKWHIs1l3cQ5t7TCnYYj1reBOMEBIddKdOKAuRKQbedy5axi3x.XDIB4IJQ.7.QrvLhZ6F2WDE0jGB6KhKb5a0nUfRtkJR0CwyhzZjDdvQ7CgGxsGaAJwa4cBEFk12vMPJdlMUg886pdgL67OQjJNHBrKpS7wKJiLYqthnv1Cz0TBwi1djluXlluBcWQnXH8QVfK41fMhih1.uENKHUeFfjWAHsTFjtL0OPKRLi1whmySaIQGRGNZpKBkryR7dMcKEd.ooZL+HnoFWLjgJqUq10Y3eV8Nc5ICLBkjojOTYfGIqrZ4WUtT4eoL6za0oyD2yJFsJJBzSbaq2UeVLVQ1K9.Pec1w7ndvvChp+31zkmNaZPlVW3fJYKov7nDHecSUTn0VY+9a6AH4lMquHGg3QMNOwEy8D9QhPPSD3k7Yz6KUGTm3.ewXdxiasM2vGbM3MhRIAzFgUY71FNFyIxbvknaCoGYTItyFmnjV46c92oPOYj.EM5ObwqOrQpou0zrr6fjXQXXDzVkJrl9QL8Wq2QDEmZvquULlhQ7tB8wo.KD5v6EYXoGgA+QB4QP39JWtmANAQ14n9IZfGRRFX3Zgn5Knt77rsPjlv0XJKFxY2bHKj2N.GSsTg8h3lwy2rEVx2vh5hA41HYIpM8KV3YFRBqclIgSKDuLssvDzcxXbgIfQLX38AFyKc84zc5zABLi.3RzlOadqSM8h+hYh+7TegDbua3D9W5VydJ+XfcOPBZqwq9Y7zweNsOcjL0Oc7n.CJ980bYZhJcrK1GhE6iYZoEIhA+M0vOum0aVj9VJtdha8l0ahJ4D4wma5ocgEaDq5IMiEFr339gkltZaimQT37S3gjk9H711+MoUeDy7G642RCvnuHNIB1QdLDgUvcX7JXIaWMxATGOvdWkTkzUIEAE856AXk1CODzEw9DUnMLFromQTVowdPDvKFA+MMd.F4w0ncBlSawr2JxD8WeEMCtLa1H6S2J1K9+5J1i4NoYxuL0GedFTnLsB+B4KYMe13gys4EJS+SMdpHDqwWfvG9XtKQQLw93WiX4LL9048nk0.jgqMCwrCtmt0n2IZ2Tjnh3ZaeD4Mzuvut.EecK0f8IqYY2js4N1cYCZzmG5nT4pY6d0qyvt7wd7KWtPW2ifXkiseskLDNw008MuIqIfYGLSWfIwN9YI4cLxpXIsKpyXShrfHD6rWfOAy5hsRy3LMzAiavWtYFEycQCuBjYSWN1JoUhPnaCmbWkwkgrz.dDvDFKi2nNqZ0pr5kKEoPxH+5XrmUTAqjK5pGBF6nHOzMwPkUY2fs1spVaU1Mc++N3jCVguQRRTemjRcFhxkFbUW6tErb1a6I111qr5.Ns7LzVIAHL0BLMfujKQ8LdX7V1vJrC.yK.Pxp4Tl542AptNqyA.iiPQfpMOk4bdboSUcXKKWanMV0YjwoZ4R4Bsx.n+sr5VM8ZrZUu8cN0jT49TUxocoy1nZy3.YycV9LNh0vQGdOLi0Ed2REGxh5YEV+AeY5Ft5M+A5gS7EuzA4Wsxueu+9k+15wE63kPh4mTLsOsWmNhSbSZMqSlQ1S0yHjGtKGYxhYLIwGaDN.vplRIDkZg+BVqe15ZCTGePF5V7O3m7MqaW6kuY8Aa9AQFw7.s54AYwE15smyQAiPjteAnRzcsqYCm4lRqUsl0MHddPf8IzaTmPlLOe2bvy2OG7bq4fmaOG7r1bvyOLG77imIO1gG1nmQEm8TLRn8Nt7ROucjbrjf6cNx+xakGYp
                                      

                                      relevant code (you might need to scale the range according to what you want):

                                      function onVoiceStart(voiceIndex)
                                      {
                                      	// Fetch the note position (the Message class will hold a reference to 
                                      	// the note on that started the voice) and scale it to -1 ... 1
                                      	local normPos = (Message.getNoteNumber() - 64.0) / 64.0;
                                      	
                                      	// Apply the spread
                                      	normPos *= SpreadKnob.getValue();
                                      	
                                      	// the function needs to return a modulation value between 0 and 1
                                      	// that will be applied as constant to the stereo position of the voice.
                                      	return (normPos + 1.0) * 0.5;
                                      }
                                      
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                                      • FrankbeatF
                                        Frankbeat @Christoph Hart
                                        last edited by

                                        @Christoph-Hart said in Change panorama position of a noteOn Message:

                                        Changing the sample properties like this might lead to a few edge case issues (eg. if you load a sample map in a preset and then change the pan it might cause order-of-initialization issues), also it's a very heavyweight operation so you can't automate it.

                                        The stereo FX with scripted voice start modulator solution looks like this:

                                        HiseSnippet 1431.3oc2X0saSbDEd1jLoXCkBnnpJ0aFg5ENTvX2BoUBghyeFYAArxF9oWglr6wwixtyrc1wgXPU8l97zWgxiPeDZeC3Mn8Lyt1dcvJXaU.Q8EIdNybly2424bbasJ.RSUZhWo86m.DuKP86KMc2pKWHIs1l3cQ5t7TCnYYj1reBOMEBIddKdOKAuRKQbedy5axi3x.XDIB4IJQ.7.QrvLhZ6F2WDE0jGB6KhKb5a0nUfRtkJR0CwyhzZjDdvQ7CgGxsGaAJwa4cBEFk12vMPJdlMUg886pdgL67OQjJNHBrKpS7wKJiLYqthnv1Cz0TBwi1djluXlluBcWQnXH8QVfK41fMhih1.uENKHUeFfjWAHsTFjtL0OPKRLi1whmySaIQGRGNZpKBkryR7dMcKEd.ooZL+HnoFWLjgJqUq10Y3eV8Nc5ICLBkjojOTYfGIqrZ4WUtT4eoL6za0oyD2yJFsJJBzSbaq2UeVLVQ1K9.Pec1w7ndvvChp+31zkmNaZPlVW3fJYKov7nDHecSUTn0VY+9a6AH4lMquHGg3QMNOwEy8D9QhPPSD3k7Yz6KUGTm3.ewXdxiasM2vGbM3MhRIAzFgUY71FNFyIxbvknaCoGYTItyFmnjV46c92oPOYj.EM5ObwqOrQpou0zrr6fjXQXXDzVkJrl9QL8Wq2QDEmZvquULlhQ7tB8wo.KD5v6EYXoGgA+QB4QP39JWtmANAQ14n9IZfGRRFX3Zgn5Knt77rsPjlv0XJKFxY2bHKj2N.GSsTg8h3lwy2rEVx2vh5hA41HYIpM8KV3YFRBqclIgSKDuLssvDzcxXbgIfQLX38AFyKc84zc5zABLi.3RzlOadqSM8h+hYh+7TegDbua3D9W5VydJ+XfcOPBZqwq9Y7zweNsOcjL0Oc7n.CJ980bYZhJcrK1GhE6iYZoEIhA+M0vOum0aVj9VJtdha8l0ahJ4D4wma5ocgEaDq5IMiEFr339gkltZaimQT37S3gjk9H711+MoUeDy7G642RCvnuHNIB1QdLDgUvcX7JXIaWMxATGOvdWkTkzUIEAE856AXk1CODzEw9DUnMLFromQTVowdPDvKFA+MMd.F4w0ncBlSawr2JxD8WeEMCtLa1H6S2J1K9+5J1i4NoYxuL0GedFTnLsB+B4KYMe13gys4EJS+SMdpHDqwWfvG9XtKQQLw93WiX4LL9048nk0.jgqMCwrCtmt0n2IZ2Tjnh3ZaeD4Mzuvut.EecK0f8IqYY2js4N1cYCZzmG5nT4pY6d0qyvt7wd7KWtPW2ifXkiseskLDNw008MuIqIfYGLSWfIwN9YI4cLxpXIsKpyXShrfHD6rWfOAy5hsRy3LMzAiavWtYFEycQCuBjYSWN1JoUhPnaCmbWkwkgrz.dDvDFKi2nNqZ0pr5kKEoPxH+5XrmUTAqjK5pGBF6nHOzMwPkUY2fs1spVaU1Mc++N3jCVguQRRTemjRcFhxkFbUW6tErb1a6I111qr5.Ns7LzVIAHL0BLMfujKQ8LdX7V1vJrC.yK.Pxp4Tl542AptNqyA.iiPQfpMOk4bdboSUcXKKWanMV0YjwoZ4R4Bsx.n+sr5VM8ZrZUu8cN0jT49TUxocoy1nZy3.YycV9LNh0vQGdOLi0Ed2REGxh5YEV+AeY5Ft5M+A5gS7EuzA4Wsxueu+9k+15wE63kPh4mTLsOsWmNhSbSZMqSlQ1S0yHjGtKGYxhYLIwGaDN.vplRIDkZg+BVqe15ZCTGePF5V7O3m7MqaW6kuY8Aa9AQFw7.s54AYwE15smyQAiPjteAnRzcsqYCm4lRqUsl0MHddPf8IzaTmPlLOe2bvy2OG7bq4fmaOG7r1bvyOLG77imIO1gG1nmQEm8TLRn8Nt7ROucjbrjf6cNx+xakGYp
                                        

                                        relevant code (you might need to scale the range according to what you want):

                                        function onVoiceStart(voiceIndex)
                                        {
                                        	// Fetch the note position (the Message class will hold a reference to 
                                        	// the note on that started the voice) and scale it to -1 ... 1
                                        	local normPos = (Message.getNoteNumber() - 64.0) / 64.0;
                                        	
                                        	// Apply the spread
                                        	normPos *= SpreadKnob.getValue();
                                        	
                                        	// the function needs to return a modulation value between 0 and 1
                                        	// that will be applied as constant to the stereo position of the voice.
                                        	return (normPos + 1.0) * 0.5;
                                        }
                                        

                                        With this solution, does the knob have to be added inside the Script Modulator? So I have to add the same knob to each of my Samplers?

                                        Using HISE from the develop branch (Feb '23)

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                                        • Christoph HartC
                                          Christoph Hart @Frankbeat
                                          last edited by

                                          Yes and it might make sense to connect it to an external script if you have more than two samplers to keep the redundancy low.

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                                          • ulrikU
                                            ulrik @Christoph Hart
                                            last edited by

                                            @Christoph-Hart this seems to be a better way, and cleaner!

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