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    • Christoph HartC
      Christoph Hart
      last edited by

      Not sure what you're trying to achieve here ;)

      Why don't you just change the intensity of the receiving modulator? The intensity of the original LFO will actually be ignored / sent to Nirvana since you want to control it on the receiving part anyway.

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      • d.healeyD
        d.healey
        last edited by

        My goal is to simulate vibrato by modulating the gain and pitch with an LFO, I was hoping that by using a single global LFO instead of two individual ones I would save a little CPU.

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        • Christoph HartC
          Christoph Hart
          last edited by

          Well this is exactly what the Global Modulator system is made for, but why can't you use the intensity of the receiving pitch modulator?

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          • d.healeyD
            d.healey
            last edited by

            I don't see an intensity slider there

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            • Christoph HartC
              Christoph Hart
              last edited by

              The thingy that says 1.00st :)

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              • d.healeyD
                d.healey
                last edited by

                But I want that to be set to 1st so the LFO goes up to 1 st, and then I want to use a CC to change the intensity of the LFO but I don't want to change the pitch variation.

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                • staiffS
                  staiff
                  last edited by

                  not sure to 100% understand, but, do you want this (?) :
                  alt text

                  Excuse me i'm French.

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                  • d.healeyD
                    d.healey
                    last edited by

                    I want that but as a global modulator, which I can do already, but when I reduce the intensity of the global LFO I want it to reduce the effect of the receiving parameter, in my case pitch. Which it doesn't, so for this purpose I can't see it being very useful unless I'm missing something... I guess I could write a script to do the job

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                    • staiffS
                      staiff
                      last edited by staiff

                      this is a global modulator; but, infortunaly, pitch shift is already linked to sampler/waveform generator (maybe possible in global ?).

                      So yes i think you must script to link one knob (or else) to the LFO & Pitch function together. And if i say well when you'll increase/decrease the value of your knob (or else) you will do the same thing for LFO intensity and Pitch shift.
                      But LFO and pitch shift (pitch is in ST) have not the same values/interval.

                      why not a knob for LFO (invisible), a knob for Pitch (invisible) and a global knob (visible) linked to the two by script ?

                      Excuse me i'm French.

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                      • d.healeyD
                        d.healey
                        last edited by d.healey

                        No that's not a global modulator :) global modulators go in a global modulator container. That's a gain modulator at the top level of the chain. Take a look at the snippet I posted in the first post.

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                        • Christoph HartC
                          Christoph Hart
                          last edited by

                          Now I get it. I think I need to change the way how the intensity modulation affects the intensity. Right now it just "modulates" the intensity and for Global Modulators this has no effect so in this case I need to apply this directly on the actual modulation signal. Does that make sense?

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                          • Christoph HartC
                            Christoph Hart
                            last edited by

                            Or add a intensity modulation to the receiving modulator which might be even cleaner...

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                            • d.healeyD
                              d.healey
                              last edited by

                              Ya that's what I need, thanks :)

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                              • d.healeyD
                                d.healey
                                last edited by

                                Just ran into this issue again so time for a bump :)

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                                • d.healeyD
                                  d.healey
                                  last edited by

                                  Is there be some scriptable work-around for this?

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                                  • d.healeyD
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                                    last edited by d.healey

                                    Well I came up with a quick kind of solution that works via a knob on the GUI. It's not ideal though as the pitch value changes with the intensity but really I just want to be changing intensity and leaving the actual pitch alone.

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                                    • d.healeyD
                                      d.healey
                                      last edited by d.healey

                                      I've modified my previous script to be more useful now. It can set a CC to control the "intensity" and has a table to shape the CC response curve. The only thing I don't know how to do is add a smoothing value, I don't know if it's necessary though anyway.

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                                      I did some more testing too and discovered this issue isn't just with the global modulators. It happens even when just applying and LFO directly to a sound generator's pitch parameter. :(

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                                      • d.healeyD
                                        d.healey
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                                        @Christoph-Hart your suggested solution, using an inverted modulator, seems to have solved the issue :)

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                                        • d.healeyD
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                                          last edited by d.healey

                                          @Christoph-Hart Seems there is still a problem here (maybe fixed in the develop branch?).

                                          Using the last snippet I posted if I have the mod-wheel at 0 and play a note it gives one pitch, if I move the mod-wheel to 127 and play the same note it gives a different pitch.

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                                          • d.healeyD
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                                            last edited by d.healey

                                            This issue is still there in the develop branch. Here is a video comparing the behaviour in Kontakt and HISE, with accompanying project files so you can test it yourself.

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