True Legato in Hise

[orange]

How the "True Legato" can be done in Hise?
What is the instrument recording process for it? Recording each transition between notes one by one or what?

[Lindon]

@orange said in True Legato in Hise:

How the "True Legato" can be done in Hise?
What is the instrument recording process for it? Recording each transition between notes one by one or what?

yep.

[orange]

@Lindon How about different transition speeds?

[Lindon]

@orange - yes it gets complicated and expensive very quickly...theoretically you would need to record transitions(all the ones you want) at all the speeds you want, tis why most people DONT do "true" legato - in fact almost no one really does true legato it is in nearly all case a hacked together compromise...

[orange]

@Lindon said in True Legato in Hise:

@orange - yes it gets complicated and expensive very quickly...theoretically you would need to record transitions(all the ones you want) at all the speeds you want, tis why most people DONT do "true" legato - in fact almost no one really does true legato it is in nearly all case a hacked together compromise...

Yeah I understand why it is hard. But it sounds amazing. I really love this one (Tina Guo Cello):

Maybe some kind of hybrid approach (true + synthetic) could be more easy option.

[d.healey]

@orange It "can" sound amazing, it can also sound horrible. Also synthetic legato can sound amazing.

Even if you make a really nice sounding true legato, or a really nice sounding synthetic legato, you can guarantee some of your users won't use it correctly and will complain that it sounds horrible :p

[orange]

@d-healey said in True Legato in Hise:

Even if you make a really nice sounding true legato, or a really nice sounding synthetic legato, you can guarantee some of your users won't use it correctly and will complain that it sounds horrible :p

Yes of course, but this is valid for every plugin or instrument, not only for legato, right?

So you say that no need to make true legato, synthetic legato enough? It would be great to see a Tutorial about making true legato (recording samples and coding...etc) in your patreon by the way ;)

[d.healey]

@orange I don't think I'll ever make a plugin that uses true legato (unless it's just for a tutorial). There are some tutorials on YouTube already for doing this with Kontakt (I have some paid tutorials for this too), the concept is the same no matter if you use Kontakt or HISE though. Just play a sustain, crossfade into a transition, then crossfade to the new sustain. Or if you record a transition with a sustain sample you can skip out the second crossfade.

[orange]

@d-healey said in True Legato in Hise:

@orange I don't think I'll ever make a plugin that uses true legato (unless it's just for a tutorial). There are some tutorials on YouTube already for doing this with Kontakt (I have some paid tutorials for this too), the concept is the same no matter if you use Kontakt or HISE though. Just play a sustain, crossfade into a transition, then crossfade to the new sustain. Or if you record a transition with a sustain sample you can skip out the second crossfade.

How that transition samples will be used in Hise?
For that transition samples, do I need a different sampler module, or can I handle all with just one sampler? Let's say I will have 8 round robins.

[d.healey]

@orange I'd use a separate sampler.

[Casey Kolb]

Actually a more popular legato technique is to record the entire second sustain note with the transition. So you crossfade from first note into a second note which includes the transition at the beginning. This is far more natural than 2 crossfades. This is how the Tina Guo library works.

EDIT: Oops, just read @d-healey's post. Yup, that's it!

[orange]

Ok, so if I use a second sampler, how will the transition done between these 2 samplers?
With Group XF? or something selse?

[d.healey]

HISE doesn't have group fx. You could do it using scripting or using envelopes, or a combination. It's pretty much the same technique as for synthetic legato except you have a second sampler.

[Christoph Hart]

One thing I did was using the first note of the transition as RR group index, then it becomes really easy to script.

[orange]

@Christoph-Hart said in True Legato in Hise:

One thing I did was using the first note of the transition as RR group index, then it becomes really easy to script.

After recording samples, I will try that.