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    • d.healeyD
      d.healey @Lindon
      last edited by d.healey

      @Lindon
      Do you have a minimal snippet, preferably with just a single synth and the necessary fx and scripts to demonstrate the issue? The snippet you shared is asking for a serials.js file and seems quite complicated for an outsider to try to figure out the issue.

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      • LindonL
        Lindon @d.healey
        last edited by

        @d-healey I will go build one.

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        • LindonL
          Lindon @d.healey
          last edited by

          @d-healey here, its even worse in this instance...

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          • d.healeyD
            d.healey
            last edited by

            I think it's related to this issue I had - https://forum.hise.audio/topic/1149/how-to-add-lag-to-a-knob

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            • Christoph HartC
              Christoph Hart
              last edited by

              Yeah, just don't use the Moog filter it's crap.

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              • LindonL
                Lindon @d.healey
                last edited by

                @d-healey - hmm lag - maybe if there was some sensible way to add that in, but (and I dont want to be some sort of dram queen here) its pretty fundamental that instruments can have filters that are modulated.

                @Christoph-Hart - any idea how to get filters to work here?

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                • LindonL
                  Lindon @Christoph Hart
                  last edited by

                  @Christoph-Hart - as are all the other low pass filters - as they all do the same thing to some extent.

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                  • Christoph HartC
                    Christoph Hart
                    last edited by

                    Check my snippet there are no artefacts there.

                    If you're using an envelope make sure that the attack times are not too fast or it will click.

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                    • LindonL
                      Lindon @Christoph Hart
                      last edited by Lindon

                      @Christoph-Hart - yeah exactly - I need to use an envelope - I did check your snippet - nice - but not what I need. Still as you say its better - but still not right. I will replace all the moog filters with the ladder - but I'm still getting artifacts out of it and the other low pass filters with my audio.

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                      • Christoph HartC
                        Christoph Hart
                        last edited by

                        Also no artefacts:

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                        • LindonL
                          Lindon @Christoph Hart
                          last edited by Lindon

                          @Christoph-Hart said in Modulating Filters - problem...:

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                          But give it some audio material like a sine wave and back they come.

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                          Replace the audio with a sine wave and back they come...

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                          • LindonL
                            Lindon @Lindon
                            last edited by Lindon

                            even with some small attack time (not zero)

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                            In fact adding in some attack seems to make it worse..

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                            • Christoph HartC
                              Christoph Hart
                              last edited by

                              Well, if you're using the sine wave generator with the unisono feature, you'll start with a click because of the random phase offset which might get amplified if you run a fast envelope with a high Q filter over it, but this is the only artifact I hear...

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                              • LindonL
                                Lindon @Christoph Hart
                                last edited by

                                @Christoph-Hart yeah I can see that - however when I run a sampler through it with "complex" audio there are still artifacts... but let me do a bit more testing and see if I can track it down

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                                • LindonL
                                  Lindon @Lindon
                                  last edited by

                                  @Lindon OK well its a LOT better using the Ladder filter - the Moog is, as has been mentioned, really not worth the time. "Complex" audio can at times expose the limitations in the filters(more than one of them) but I can live with it.

                                  It just leaves me wondering about the filters in Kontakt - which exhibit none of these problems. My knowledge of filter design is limited to say the least - but my mental model says its all about working out the coefficients and applying them - so I cant see why NI's filters seem much more "friendly" - but as I say I'm no filter designer...

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