Impulse Responses For Guitars
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@SteveRiggs Theses days I stick to a Boss GP-10 in the real world -ts not quite my Rick360 thru my Vox AC-30 but its close, and its got all those other guitars and amps in there too...
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Badass. The GP-10 looks cool. Not tried it myself but I used to have the GT-10 a few years back. I ended up selling it to get a Korg AX3000G instead. It wasn't the best swap to be honest! I only use it for the wah pedal and pitch shifter now and run that into the Nameless or STL. It gets the job done
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- He picks a guitar tone from a song.
- Then plays the same riff (in order to catch the similar frequency spectrum).
- Then applies some guitar amp to the DI track.
- After applying amp, he makes an EQ match process to emulate the cabinet sound of the song.
- Then process the Deconvolver's sweep tone through the Matched EQ tone.
- It's time for Deconvolver, process it, and Done :)
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@SteveRiggs Fortin Nameless Suite is one of the best tones in the market, for my ears. Really great plugin.
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@orange wow how complex - and sorta not likely to be too accurate...
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@Lindon Actually it's incredibly accurate, this is almost identical to how I made my brass mute emulations for Sordina ;)
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@SteveRiggs yeah I was a VG-8 and VG-88 user before it - but they got lost/toured/giged to death/stolen/"roadied" the GP-10 sits quietly in my studio mostly not doing much....I did promise my self I'd use it in some library at some point ... but the point hasnt shown up yet.
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@d-healey wow OK I stand corrected...I'll have to pay attention to the video and see how I might capture the "tone" of some GP-10 guitars...<-- looks like that point might show up...
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OK so I watched the video - hes a funny guy...BUT. its what i said - its a guitar + amp+fx tone - its not a guitar tone.
I cant see how I'd use his technique(or Daves) to get the tone of a guitar , e.g. I have a Rick360 and a vox AC-30.... I want to get the "tone" of the Rick360 bridge pickup.....and NOT any part of the Vox AC30
So basically I can put a signal thru the captured "Rick360" IR and then thru a "Marshall stack" IR and get a Rick 360 thru a Marshal stack... I cant see how this is possible _ I can do it for the marshal - just send the sine tone thru the amp and record that, but the guitar itself? cant see how - I'm probably being dumb.
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@Lindon Yeah I don't think this technique would work either to get the tone of the instrument. I have seen people who hit instruments on the bridge to generate an impulse that can be deconvolved - I think the one I saw was to get a violin body IR but I can't remember now.
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@Lindon Yeah it might not be accurate but it can be very close.
The result IR tone depends on which amp you've used. Also the dynamic range of your amp will determine the frequency responses on different input volumes. Also while exporting Deconvolver sweep tone, you must bypass amp, because you want only cabinet sound, not the amp.
Actually convolution technology is quite old for realistic guitar sounds. For a better solution, the new trend is "Amp Profiling". Check this out :)
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@Lindon
take a look at Peavey's Revalver 4, they tried to do that. you can choose a humbucker, a single coil pickup or even a guitar model to run your clean guitar through. it emulates the character of the chosen pickup pretty close, but I think it's just a EQ match. you know for sure, humbuckers sound fuller than single coils and so on.However, the pickup emulation is never completely accurate because its hard to emulate the circuit with coils and stuff. so you have to EQ match it. that's the only solution I have in mind.
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yes thanks everyone -so not ever getting anywhere near a guitar IR, only really possible with serious modelling - @clumsybear @orange - yeah I took a look previously but those are pretty marginal solutions when you have one of these sitting in your studio: https://www.boss.info/uk/products/gp-10/
so what I was really looking for was a way to capture the tones of guitarrs without amps - but I can always pass a swept tone thru this and get guitar + amp
In fact with it I can say guitar body shape, pick up type, and pickup physical position (even silly places like half way up teh (virtual) neck.
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@Lindon cool :)
btw - Kemper is state of the art amp modelling atm. great tool. haven't tried the gp-10 but I'll take a look at it
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@clumsybear its COSM - which is really state of the art - its done in hardware- and amps (pah!) amps is easy...
man first time thru I think I types one out for ten words correctly there...time to stop work now....
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hehe, don't worry. btw thanks for the info on COSM, never heard about it.
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@Lindon COSM and Kemper amps are very different consepts. COSM is a normal, classic style amp and it has it's own style, nothing more.
Kemper is a profiler amp, that means it can profile and sound like almost any amps in the world. It uses it's own weird technique and it is not like any other. It's been built by Christoph Kemper who is creator & founder of famous Access Music - Virus Synths. That machines are state of art too :) Especially Vİrus TI2, I have one.
Another a real state of art amp is "Fractal Audio produces the Axe-Fx" that is an awesome and unique tool too.
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@orange I'm using an AXE-FXII, it's just amazing. Of course, you can load any IR you want (Fractal Audio also proposes CabLab, amazing too...)
What I particularly like is the Tone Match module: pick an acoustic guitar (or anything else) that you like, plug your electro-acoustic guitar, match, and voilà! No more piezo sound!
I use it sometimes when mixing a live recording. Recently, I significantly improved a double bass recorded with a piezo using this technique and a lovely double bass sound... -
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@orange I'm using an AXE-FXII, it's just amazing. Of course, you can load any IR you want (Fractal Audio also proposes CabLab, amazing too...)
Yeah, just, beyond time machine.
What I particularly like is the Tone Match module: pick an acoustic guitar (or anything else) that you like, plug your electro-acoustic guitar, match, and voilà! No more piezo sound!
Yeah it sounds great on it too. It would be great if we could emulate that in Hise :)
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@orange said in Impulse Responses For Guitars:
@Lindon COSM and Kemper amps are very different consepts. COSM is a normal, classic style amp and it has it's own style, nothing more.
Kemper is a profiler amp, that means it can profile and sound like almost any amps in the world. It uses it's own weird technique and it is not like any other. It's been built by Christoph Kemper who is creator & founder of famous Access Music - Virus Synths. That machines are state of art too :) Especially Vİrus TI2, I have one.
Another a real state of art amp is "Fractal Audio produces the Axe-Fx" that is an awesome and unique tool too.
Yeah I have a virus too,...
You may be correct about Kemper - but you are WAAAAY wrong about COSM. COSM isnt an amp model, is a modelling engine, it offers me any number of guitar (and bass) amps. In the GP-10 out-of-the-box I have the following amps:
- Roland Jazz Chorus
- Marshal Hot lead
- Marshal (Classic)
- Mesa Boogie
- Vox AC 30
- Orange
- Fender Twin
- Fender Bassman
Theres quite a few more that I cant remember - there's another rectifier in there somewhere i think. All this before I tweak the amp model to be something more custom
Plus I get to decide which Guitar I want to play thru this Amp set up. Again out of the box I get
- Tele
- Strat
- Les Paul
- Rickenbacker
- Danelectro
- Gretch
- Gibson 335
- Banjo
- Acoustic Guitar
- analog synth (yeah really..)
- theres more again that I cant remember...
Further I get to decide how many and which pickups are attached (humbuckers, Ric, Single pole, lipstick, etc.) , worse I get to decide where on the body these are located , as I say anywhere from the classic bridge position to physically impossible positions like 10 cm from the nut.
After that i get to decide on what tuning I want to use , including 12-string versions.
So I can have a Rick 330/12 into an Orange Head into a Vox cab, and have an additional Gibson humbucker pickup placed at the neck position, and the whole thing tuned to CMaj. All being sent to my DAW thru an off-axis mic 12 cm from the middle of the cab....
Dont even get me started on the effects after that..
