Timestretch Artifacts

[dannycouture]

Hey, I'm building a guitar rhythm loop based plugin and I cannot seem to get the timestretching to sound good. Even with 1-2% stretch it sounds smeared and in some cases at 0% it still sounds smeared with TempoSynced mode activated.

I tried setting NumQuarters (16 for a 4 bar loop at 140 BPM) and SourceBPM via getTimestretchOptions/setTimestretchOptions and it doesn't seem to make any audible difference.

My setup:

HISE 4.1.0 (commit a29ff452)
4 bar loop at 140 BPM, 4 bars
TempoSynced mode
NumQuarters = 16, SourceBPM = 140
Tested at both 44.1k and 48k sample rates — same artifacts at both

Here is my current script:
javascriptonInit
{
const var Sampler1 = Synth.getSampler("RTM_1_140");
const var obj = Sampler1.getTimestretchOptions();
obj.SourceBPM = 140;
obj.NumQuarters = 16;
Sampler1.setTimestretchOptions(obj);
}

A few specific questions:

Is the smearing at 0% stretch a known issue or am I doing something wrong in my setup?

Are there any TimestretchOptions properties beyond what's documented that might help for rhythmic/percussive material like guitar chugs and rhythm loops?

Is there a recommended approach for loop players specifically, or is the sampler module not the right tool for this use case?

Has anyone successfully integrated Elastique or Rubber Band v3 into HISE and is there any existing code or PR for this?

I really just need clean stretch of about 10 BPM up and down from the source tempo. Any help appreciated, thanks!

[David Healey]

@dannycouture Are you using the latest develop branch that incorporates this PR?

Edit: I just saw you included the commit hash, so you should have those changes. It allows you to set the BPM directly without messing around with Num Quarters.

[dannycouture]

@David-Healey thanks!
Okay so num quarters is out of the picture now.

My question is how does HISE know what the BPM of the sample inside the sampler is? I know how to set the internal BPM for testing:

Engine.setHostBpm(120.0);

But do I need to tell HISE what the actual .wav BPM is, and if so where is that set?

Also, are there any settings to optimize to reduce artifacts? Even at a 5 BPM difference it sounds really smeared, and my recordings are high quality. I know HISE uses Signalsmith for timestretching, and on their demo it sounds clean compared to what I'm getting in HISE so I'm thinking it's a settings issue on my end.

[David Healey]

@dannycouture Yes with that PR you still set the time stretch options, but instead of using NumQuarters, you use SourceBPM and set it to the BPM of your samples. The only settings I'm aware of are those available through the time stretch options.

[Christoph Hart]

You can try to use the signalsmith CLI tool (or whatever they ship as a binary) to check your exact audio material. AFAIK I've not changed the internals of that engine too much instead of just wiring in IPP / VDSP and a few other small performance additions.

You can't expect parity with the sound quality of Elastique though. Rubberband sounds worse in my experience than signalsmith - v2 as well as v3.

There is also another timestretch library on the block - Bungee which has a pro version that claims to be on par with Elastique et al, so maybe that would be a contender.

[jeffd]

@David-Healey so we have working tempo synched time stretch with this PR? or i should add..this wasnt working before if i remember correctly

[David Healey]

@jeffd We already did, but now it's a little more user friendly and a glitch has been fixed.

[jeffd]

@David-Healey i think last time i tried it it always crashed.

but that was awhile ago.

[David Healey]

@jeffd Yes there was a crashing issue that the PR fixes

[jeffd]

@David-Healey yeah, thats what happened when i tried it.

this is great that its fixed now!

[dannycouture]

@David-Healey What unit is SampleStart/SampleEnd displayed in inside the sample editor? Is it raw samples, or something else?

[David Healey]

@dannycouture Yes, samples

[dannycouture]

@David-Healey

wav file is 75600 samples (140BPM) confirmed in Audacity, HISE sample editor showing 82286 as SampleEnd. Is HISE adding padding on import? or maybe a bug?

EDIT:
Thinking this is the issue as to why I am hearing smearing even at 100% stretch. I set the SourceBPM to 140 and engine host to 140 and I still hear smearing like its slowing down 1BPM or so too with Timesync Mode activated.

[David Healey]

@dannycouture Send me the sample

[dannycouture]

@David-Healey (C3)_F_140BPM_RTM1 [2026-05-04 102107].wav

[David Healey]

@dannycouture Showing correctly in HISE for me

Looks different to the one in your image

[dannycouture]

It was caused by having different sample rates in 2 different samplers. I had to convert all to 41.1khz which is what I started my project at.