Effects / Modules / Routing

Oli Ullmann

Hello everyone,

I have what I think is a simple problem, but I can't seem to find a solution.

I have four synthesizer groups and four send containers with effects. I feed the send containers via send effects from the synthesizer groups. 
So far, so good.

But now I want my plug-in to also offer an effect chain in which I can load six effects. These are not send effects, but insert effects, and should not influence the send effects. What I mean is that the effect, for example a chorus, should affect the basic signal of the synthesizer group, which then runs through the send effect into the effect container, but the effect container itself should not be affected by the chorus. Therefore, I cannot load these effects into the master chain, as they would otherwise also influence the send effects (send containers).

One solution would be to load the six effects directly into the synthesizer groups. However, since I have four of them, that would mean 24 effects. Not really ideal for the CPU.

Can anyone think of a better solution? @d-healey do you have any ideas?

Many thanks,
 Oli

Christoph Hart

@Oli-Ullmann put the synth groups into another container (GroupContainer), then add the insertFX there. Put the send container after this container and it should operate on the "dry" signal that you send directly from the synth modules:

MasterChain
---GroupContainer
       Synth1
         FX: Send1
       Synth2
         FX: Send2
       Synth3
         FX: Send3
       Synth4
         FX: Send4
     FX: Insert1 
     FX: Insert2
     FX: Insert3
     FX: Insert4
     FX: Insert5
     FX: Insert6
  SendContainer
   FX: Send FX1
   FX: Send FX2
   FX: Send FX3

Oli Ullmann

@Christoph-Hart
Sorry, I didn't express myself clearly.

I want the opposite: I want the signal processed by the chorus to be sent to the send container.

However, I don't want the effect in the send container to also receive chorus. (That's why I can't put the chorus in the master chain.)

As I said, chorus is just one example of an insert effect.

I want it to behave as if I were loading the chorus directly into the synthesizer groups, except that I don't want to do that for every synthesizer group, because otherwise I would have to load 24 effects...

Christoph Hart

@Oli-Ullmann well then you either need to put the sends after the inserts (where you loose the ability to route them individually to the sends) or apply the inserts for each synth.

Oli Ullmann

@Christoph-Hart

I was afraid of that...
Thanks for the info! :-)

Christoph Hart

@Oli-Ullmann well you can thinking about a better routing setup - eg. add another post insert FX send:

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This allows you to send the raw synth output as well as the processed (but mixed-down) signal to the send FX without having to duplicate all effects for all synths.

Or you can do FX lanes by using multiple channels in the group container and then let the user decide what synth to process with which chain.

Oli Ullmann

@Christoph-Hart

Yes, that's a good starting point. Thanks! :-)

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