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    • LindonL
      Lindon @d.healey
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      @d-healey yeah actually implemented in a similar way here, except of course I use multiple global envelopes, and then define a UI approach to dynamically assign one of them to the target I want to use it on - gain envelope, filter envelope etc. so we end up with 6 Global (dummy) envelopes each assignable to one of 30 different "targets" - it gets ugly pretty quickly...hence my post.

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      • Christoph HartC
        Christoph Hart @Lindon
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        @Lindon how would you expect this to work? If the sound generators are not being triggered at the same time how should one envelope create a signal for all targets?

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          Lindon @Christoph Hart
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          @Christoph-Hart said in Global Envelopes - The "filtered" voices problem.:

          @Lindon how would you expect this to work? If the sound generators are not being triggered at the same time how should one envelope create a signal for all targets?

          It shouldn't.

          I guess Im looking for a "script processors for envelopes" - where I can tell the Global envelope:

          "If the note that is triggering you has channel == 16, then send your data to these destinations [some list of receivers]

          else

          send it to these destination [some other list]"

          Probably not a practical idea....but if it were possible then you could set up modulators in all sorts of configs and have them applied to different voices as and when you wanted........
          giving you a very powerful modulation system.

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          • Christoph HartC
            Christoph Hart @Lindon
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            @Lindon the event ID is a much better identifier than the channel.

            You somehow need to achieve that all notes (both the ones that you play on the keyboard and the ones that are generated by the arpeggiator are fed into the global envelope container, then it will create an envelope signal for all events that can be picked up by whatever sound generator uses one of the event IDs to play its voices.

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            • LindonL
              Lindon @Christoph Hart
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              @Christoph-Hart er... I think thats sort of what I'm doing now (using the more gross event attribute of Channel) I don't see how envelope receptors(Global Envelope Modulator 1-4 in the first example) have access to event IDs... and if they dont they are just going to act on any note event arriving - which is our problem....

              replacing Channel filtering with EventID filtering doesnt change the problem - unless Im mis-understanding the solution here...

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              • LindonL
                Lindon @Lindon
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                @Lindon actually looking at my real project and the example I posted first there is a diference...

                -perhaps the version I showed in the first post would work!! but doesnt work without the container....

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                • LindonL
                  Lindon @Lindon
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                  @Lindon well no, load this snippet and hold a chord, the synth plays the chord notes and then, if we hold for a few seconds we get the envelope retriggering because of the arp notes(which we are ignoring in the synth).

                  For some reason it seems to sort of work in single note playing... go figure..

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                  • d.healeyD
                    d.healey @Lindon
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                    @Lindon would a script envelope help?

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                    • LindonL
                      Lindon @d.healey
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                      @d-healey said in Global Envelopes - The "filtered" voices problem.:

                      @Lindon would a script envelope help?

                      I looked at those recently - I cant see how it helps, unless I misuse/understand these then they are fine for defining a "shape" for want of a better word - but I cant see how I can direct its output to a named destination...

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                      • d.healeyD
                        d.healey @Lindon
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                        @Lindon said in Global Envelopes - The "filtered" voices problem.:

                        direct its output to a named destination

                        You want to route the output of the envelope to somewhere else? Doesn't it just flow up the chain to the master?

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                        • LindonL
                          Lindon @d.healey
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                          @d-healey said in Global Envelopes - The "filtered" voices problem.:

                          @Lindon said in Global Envelopes - The "filtered" voices problem.:

                          direct its output to a named destination

                          You want to route the output of the envelope to somewhere else? Doesn't it just flow up the chain to the master?

                          • not a Global modulation Envelope no...

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